People of Mount Prospect

Does MPHS have photographs: Yes

Address in Mount Prospect:

Birth Date: November 11, 1905

Death Date:

Marriage
Date:

Spouse: Hildegard Lams

Children: 4 Daughters

Interesting information on life, career, accomplishments:

Theodore Lams was Mayor of Mount Prospect through a large part of the post war boom. Lams had been a trustee from 1945 until he became Mayor in 1953. When he was Mayor, the population more than doubled and the developed area of Mount Prospect grew immensely.

One of the largest developments in Mount Prospect, Randhurst, started while Lams was Mayor. Although the grand opening happened the year after he left office, he was certainly involved in the development. When Randhurst was built, malls were a new idea and Randhurst was one of the largest. People came out from Chicago and all of the neighboring communities to wander around inside what was then the largest air-conditioned space in the country.

Lams may have been Mount Prospect’s most artistic Mayor. He received his Masters degree in Music and worked as a professor of Music at Northwestern University for the majority of his professional career.

He was also involved in other community organizations. He was a founder and board member of the Northwestern Suburban YMCA, one of the original organizers of North West Community Hospital, a long term member of the Mount Prospect Lions Club, and a president of the Saint Paul School Board.

Does MPHS have photographs: No

Interviewer: Nancy Hank

Date of Interview:

Oral history text:

NANCY HANK: It’s October 11. We’re at the home of Hilda Laird in Mount Prospect. I’m Nancy Hank, the interviewer. I want to thank you for agreeing, Hilda, to be interviewed and for signing the release form. I’m going to ask you some of the biographical information. What is your full name?

LAIRD: My full name is Hilda Hutchinson Laird.

Q: Where were you born?

LAIRD: I was born in Jersey County, Illinois, which is about fifty miles north of St. Louis, Missouri.

Q: What year? Do you mind giving us that?

LAIRD: No, 1912.

Q: Who were your parents?

LAIRD: My father was Alban Hutchinson. My mother was Emma Hancock.

Q: And the grandparents?

LAIRD: My grandmother was Elizabeth –shall I say her maiden name?

Q: Yes.

LAIRD: Elizabeth Reyworth. That’s R-E-Y-W-O-R-T-H. My grandfather was William Hutchinson –no, I think it’s Charles. Sorry.

Q: Okay, Charles Hutchinson.

LAIRD: William’s my great-grandfather.

Q: When did you move to Mount Prospect?

LAIRD: In 1935.

Q: And I’ll put down your address. It’s 501 …

LAIRD: No, when I moved to Mount Prospect we bought a house at 312 South Wapella. We lived there until 1956.

Q: Okay, and your current address is …

LAIRD: 501 North Pine Street.

Q: How has Mount Prospect changed since you’ve lived here?

LAIRD: When we moved here in 1935, there were 1,200 people in the village and we lived in the 300 block of Wapella, and we were the only built-up block in that side of town, and we had lots of children there. In fact, it was called “incubator alley.”

Q: What did you know about Mount Prospect before you came here?

LAIRD: I really didn’t know much. We had come out to rent a house because friends had lived here, so when we came out to rent a house, Mr. Besander –we stopped at his office and instead of showing us a house to rent, he showed us a house to buy. So we considered the house, came out once again and bought the house at 312 Wapella.

Q: What are some of the events you remember happening in the village?

LAIRD: I really can’t remember. Actually, you know, the village was so small and we had lived in Evanston prior to moving to Mount Prospect, so we went back to Evanston to the doctors, most of the shopping. It takes a while before you get used to this little town. I think there was only two store –Meeske’s and Busse’s. Meeske’s were on Main Street and Busse was over near Van Driel’s.

Q: Do you remember any of the parades or other things that happened in the early days?

LAIRD: I don’t remember any parades.

Q: Okay. What do you feel are the landmarks in the community?

LAIRD: Well, the little schoolhouse is here at the Episcopal church now. That used to be at the comer of 83 and Central Road. Really I think the library now is on that site. I think the library was started after we moved to Mount Prospect. I think Frank Eringer was the first librarian, and of course it was in a little, tiny brick building at the comer of 83 and Busse, I think it is.

Q: What do you remember most about shopping downtown other than the two stores that we…

LAIRD: Well, there was a little general store next to Meeske’s, and after that I think there was a dry goods store over in the block where Keefer’s Pharmacy is now. But the little store was owned by Mr. Kenning and he had –well, Landex owned it first. In fact, I’ve still got a little flour sieve that they gave at one time for some reason. I don’t even remember.

Q: Do you still use the flour sieve?

LAIRD: Yes, still use the flour sieve, and I think it has their name still on it. Then the grocery store was Meeske’s, and it is now where the Japanese restaurant is. You could call up and order your groceries.

Q: That’s where you did your grocery shopping?

LAIRD: Yes.

Q: At Meeske’s. Okay, and how about clothes and shoes?

LAIRD: We went to Evanston for clothes and shoes. After a few years then we went to Des Plaines and Speigler’s and Brown’s department stores.

Q: And Brown’s is still in Des Plaines, isn’t it?

LAIRD: Yes. Speigler’s was. ..

Q: Yes.

LAIRD: I don’t know if it still is.

Q: I think it’s in the mall. I think they went out of business.

LAIRD: I think they did too.

Q: How about for hardware items? Do you remember where you shopped for those?

LAIRD: Oh, Busse-Biermann. Mr. Biermann was the most wonderful man in the whole world.

Q: Is that B-E-E-R?

LAIRD: B-I-E-R.

Q: B-I-E-R-M-A-N-N.

LAIRD: Frank Biermann.

Q: Okay.

LAIRD: He also at one time was the fire chief, I think.

Q: I see. How about things like farm equipment and supplies, meaning — I don’t know if you used farm equipment necessarily, but I would think maybe even lawn mowers and so on.

LAIRD: Well, of course, we had a push lawn mover. At least, we only had a push lawn mower. Another thing we had was a coal furnace.

Q: Okay, so how about coal?

LAIRD: Mr. Wolf owned the coal –at least that’s who we bought coal from. I think Wille also had a coal company, but there was a Mr. Wolf, and I believe his home was across from the water tower, what was also one time the post office.

Q: How about your cars?

LAIRD: When we moved here we had a Chevrolet.

Q: Where do you remember buying that?

LAIRD: In Evanston.

Q: And how about medicine?

LAIRD: I suppose if I remember right I think Burda Pharmacy was. ..

Q: And that was B-U-R-D-A?

LAIRD: B-U-R-D-A.

LAIRD: Yes.

Q: And the stores were all located in what is downtown.

LAIRD: Yes.

Q: Do you remember any of the people that worked there in those stores?

LAIRD: Well, yes.

Q: Mainly the owners.

LAIRD: Yes, Fred Meeske was the owner of Meeske’s, and Ralph Busse, I think he did mostly stocked the groceries and so, and he was a really a wonderful person.

Q: Sort of a stock boy.

LAIRD: Fred Haas was a butcher along with Mr. Meeske.

Q: We know that the early stores carried dry goods and pharmacy, of course, medicines and so on. Do you remember what other things the early stores carried? Could you buy a sack of coal in a store downtown?

LAIRD: No, I don’t think so.

Q: Mainly it was delivered.

LAIRD: Yes, yes. I can’t think of. ..

Q: Anything out of the ordinary that the early stores might have stocked for people?

LAIRD: No. I really can’t, as I remember the stores, except that the cookies were like in containers where the kids could get a cookie.

Q: Yes, I remember those too.

LAIRD: But my father was never very happy about us taking cookies that we didn’t pay for. When you ordered your groceries from Meeske’s, you would ask them if they would mind stopping at the post office and pick up your mail and bring it to you, which they did. In fact, that was the wonderful thing about that store. They were very. ..

Q: Accommodating.

LAIRD: Yes, accommodating.

Q: Did they carry things like stamps, for instance, for your. ..

LAIRD: No, because the post office was right next door.

Q: Was so close by.

LAIRD: Then the post office moved over by the water tower.

Q: Okay, this was when the post office. ..

LAIRD: Was next to Meeske’s. And then National Tea came in, in that same block as Meeske’s. It was a very, very small store.

Q: The National Tea.

LAIRD: Yes. I remember the clerk was a Mrs. Maleski. She was a very nice lady.

Q: Now we’re going to talk a little bit about your grade school memories. First of all– yes, then we’ll go back to the follow-up, your fondest memories. We’ll do the school. What grade school did you attend?

LAIRD: I attended a country school called Buckeye School. It had all eight grades.

Q: Did you go there for eight years?

LAIRD: Yes, I went there for eight years.

Q: Give me the location of Buckeye School.

LAIRD: It was in Otter Creek Township. I really don’t know how I would describe…

Q: Okay, just tell me it was in southern Illinois near St. Louis.

LAIRD: Yes, yes.

Q: In Jerseyville.

LAIRD: Near Jerseyville. When we were young there was a little town called Otterville in Otter Creek Township, and it was the closest tiny, little store.

Q: What were your favorite subjects or classes?

LAIRD: I suppose English.

Q: How far did you live away from your school?

LAIRD: I lived with a great-aunt, and I was about a half a mile from school, walked there come rain or come shine.

Q: SO you walked to school. And what time did school start?

LAIRD: I don’t recall, but I imagine at nine o’clock, but I don’t really remember.

Q: Did you walk rain and shine and how about snow?

LAIRD: Yes, rain, shine, snow or sleet, whatever.

Q: Okay, all kinds of weather.

LAIRD: I could really see the schoolhouse from where we lived.

Q: What time did you have to get up in the morning in order to be at school on time?

LAIRD: I have no idea. In the country everyone gets up early.

Q: Okay, would you say it was seven a.m.?

LAIRD: Seven a.m. or before.

Q: Did you have any chores in the morning before you left for school?

LAIRD: No.

Q: Did you eat breakfast before you went to school?

LAIRD: Yes.

Q: Would you describe a typical breakfast meal before you went off to school?

LAIRD: Well, sometimes my aunt would even make fried chicken for my breakfast. Can you believe people having fried chicken for breakfast?

Q: No, that’s unusual but it sounds kind of good.

LAIRD: I can’t remember what else. I’m sure we must have had. ..

Q: Oatmeal perhaps.

LAIRD: …com meal mush, fried com meal mush. Did you ever have that? It’s delicious.

Q: Yes, it is but I don’t think we had that. I think generally we would have had oatmeal, toast perhaps. Did you bring a lunch to school or did you go home?

LAIRD: No. Brought a lunch.

Q: Could you describe a typical lunch?

LAIRD: No, I really can’t remember.

Q: Okay. Sandwich and fruit?

LAIRD: I suppose. I don’t. ..

Q: That might have been a typical one, but you don’t really remember.

LAIRD: I really don’t remember.

Q: After your country school, did you buy lunch at your high school or junior high?

LAIRD: Yes. We didn’t have junior high, you know –eight grades, no junior high.

Q: What was the name of your high school?

LAIRD: Evanston High School.

Q: Oh, you went to Evanston. Do you remember any of the high school lunches?

LAIRD: I remember what I had every day for lunch, which was a salmon salad sandwich. I still love it, and I made if for my daughter. She had never heard of it. A friend of mine that I went to high school, we still meet together.

Q: How many students did you have in class at school through eighth grade, your country school?

LAIRD: In my class?

Q: In your class?

LAIRD: I would think about three people.

Q: Okay, about three in each class through eighth grade, about twenty-four in the school.

LAIRD: I imagine.

Q: What was the typical order of the day? Did you start with a special song, prayers or the Pledge of Allegiance?

LAIRD: I don’t think we did, but I really, you know, …

Q: Can you describe a typical day?

LAIRD: We had a recess and then, of course, since we all had lunch, we ate our lunch quickly and went outside and played games. Of course, we didn’t have indoor plumbing, and there was a stove that heated the school.

Q: Do you remember coming to school in the winter when the stove wasn’t working too well?

LAIRD: No, I don’t remember that it didn’t work too well. I suppose the teacher got there before we did and started the fire. However, I suppose they banked it some way so she didn’t have to start it each day.

Q: Oh, do you think they did overnight? Do you think they were allowed to keep it going?

LAIRD: I don’t know, but it always seemed fairly warm.

Q: It was. It was comfortable in the winter as far as you can remember.

LAIRD: I don’t remember keeping coats on or anything.

[Side 2]

Q: We’re talking about grade school memories, and we’re talking about typical order of a school day. We’ve mentioned that Friday there was a spelling bee, but we’ll elaborate on that for just a moment if you would.

LAIRD: On Friday afternoons we always had a spelling bee, or the teacher read to us from whatever book she chose. That was one of the nice things. We didn’t have to really recite or have studies in the afternoon on Fridays. You asked me for one of my fondest memories. It really was a teacher, and the teacher rode a horse. She always came by horseback. Her name was Irene Springman. She had red hair, and she was such a wonderful person. That’s one of my fondest memories.

Q: Rode a horse to school? Now, what happened to the horse during the day?

LAIRD: The horse was just tied out to a post or –I think a post. Our school was surrounded by farms, but the farm would have a fence, and I think her horse was tied to a fence. She lived about, I would say, about eight miles or ten from the school.

Q: That’s a long ride. In the winter also. ..

LAIRD: Yes, she always rode her horse.

Q: How about the horse on a cold winter’s day?

LAIRD: I don’t know. ..

Q: Out there with a blanket.

LAIRD: Of course, the horses, you know, stay out in the fields on a winter day, so …

Q: Well, that really was a dedicated teacher.

LAIRD: You know, there weren’t a lot of jobs for people in those days, so, you know, …

Q: They were happy to have a teaching. ..

LAIRD: I don’t know. I imagine the pay was compared to today –I would like to know what she got, probably six hundred a year or something like that.

Q: What did you wear to school?

LAIRD: I hate to tell you this, but we always had long underwear, black stockings, high shoes and I suppose –I remember wearing black bloomers and I suppose a skirt and a top of some kind. I don’t really remember what I wore.

Q: Was there a dress code as such?

LAIRD: No, there was no dress code. Everybody wore almost the same type of thing.

Q: Is there anything your parents refused to let you wear to school?

LAIRD: No.

Q: Describe some of the things that you did during your play or recess period or the games that were popular and fun.

LAIRD: Of course we played drop-the-handkerchief and London Bridge and I thought it was called blindman’s bluff but it might not have been, because no one was blindfolded, but we’d choose sides and try to catch each other like “Here we come, where you from?”

Q: I remember something called Annie Annie Over.

LAIRD: Yes, well, we did that too. Of course, everybody young and old and little and big played together. We didn’t have cliques or –that was one of the nice things about having all eight grades together. Yes, the eighth graders usually helped build the in the winter.

Q: Did you ever play pie? Remember making a big pie with a center and like eight slices and people would run up and down and try to catch each other.

LAIRD: We never played that.

Q: Do you remember any specific songs that were taught and frequently sung at school?

LAIRD: No, I really don’t.

Q: What arts and crafts projects were done?

LAIRD: None.

Q: No cutting and pasting?

LAIRD: I don’t remember any.

Q: Okay.

LAIRD: You know, when you have eight grades you don’t have much time for cutting and pasting or teacher.

Q: True. How about things for Christmas, cards for family and. ..

LAIRD: One thing we used to have –this was after I was a little older; of course, younger children didn’t have it –we had what was called a box social. Everyone decorated a box and usually you put fried chicken and potato salad and pie or cake, and then they had an auction. Really, the boxes were beautiful. They were all decorated with different colored crepe paper and tinsels and so forth, and then people would bid on the — whoever got your box, that’s who you ate your supper with. Then at Christmas we had a play and the teacher always at Christmas gave us this little box of candy that was either like a little church or a little house and an orange. That was our Christmas treat from the teacher.

Q: Okay, Christmas play, box shaped like a building with candy.

LAIRD: With candy in it and an orange. Of course, living in the country and far from town, you didn’t see too many oranges, so it was a real treat.

Q: I’ll bet it was, back in those days. An orange was a real treat, was a wonderful treat.

LAIRD: Especially if you lived in the country. I’m sure city people had oranges…

Q: But out in the country it was a little harder to do.

LAIRD: We had apples and turnips and so forth. They were buried in the ground, and then you just went out and opened the little hole and got your.. .

Q: Like a fruit cellar. How would you answer, “1 will never forget the day at Buckeye School when. ..”? Shall we come back to that? We’ll think about that a little bit.

LAIRD: I can’t think of it.

Q: Something special.

LAIRD: I can’t get anything special.

Q: Then we’ll ask what did you do after school in the way of chores or play or work?

LAIRD: When I was old enough, why, we had wood, so it was always my job to carry wood for the house. As I got older, then I had to milk the cow, which I learned –I went to visit my sister, who lived with my grandmother, and I learned to milk the cow, which was unfortunate because then I had to milk the cow.

Q: Just one cow?

LAIRD: One cow.

Q: That was for the -.

LAIRD: I only lived with my aunt and uncle.

Q: And that was kind of the household supply.

LAIRD: Yes, that was our milk, and we had a well and no refrigeration of course, so the milk and the cream and the butter was put into a bucket and hung in the well.

Q: Where did children hang out, so to speak, in their free time?

LAIRD: We didn’t hang out.

Q: You didn’t hang out.

LAIRD: No.

Q: Did you have neighbor children to play with?

LAIRD: Yes, I had my cousins. I remember one time of course we had horses. You know, you could ride horses, and we had a stream. We used to play in the stream, and one time we were going over to a barn and we threw the bridle and it didn’t cross the creek and it fell in the creek and we were really panicky, but we finally got it out.

Q: What school did you attend for junior high? Well, the junior high was your Buckeye School and was not a junior high.

LAIRD: No junior high, all grades.

Q: And the high school then was. ..

LAIRD: Evanston High.

Q: Do you have any special memories from Evanston High?

LAIRD: No, not really.

Q: Do you remember the clothes that you wore at Evanston?

LAIRD: One thing I wore was a middy blouse and skirt with a tie that was tied in like a sailor’s knot. Did you ever wear that?

Q: No, I do remember them, seeing pictures of them, but, no, I don’t think we had anything quite that fancy.

LAIRD: Well, that wasn’t fancy. It was just a white middy blouse.

Q: But it was a blouson top, sort of bloused over?

LAIRD: Yes, yes.

Q: And a black. ..

LAIRD: A black knotted tie and a skirt. There was no dress code. Of course, in those days there weren’t slacks for people. I mean, girls didn’t wear slacks. I don’t even remember that boys wore blue jeans. I don’t think blue jeans were here then.

Q: I think they had woolen or corduroy pants, did they not, usually?

LAIRD: Yes, probably.

Q: And usually they were above high-top shoes too –higher shoes that laced up that would go up the ankle a little bit.

LAIRD: In high school I didn’t wear high shoes. I think one of my earliest memories is one thing. You would meet some of your neighbors or people that you knew when you went downtown. Now with Mount Prospect so large and so many different places to shop, you just don’t see anyone that you know.

Q: Yes, downtown has really changed to quite a few areas that are called downtown, isn’t that right?

LAIRD: Yes, but I still think of downtown as the little section that’s Main Street, or rather 83, between Northwest Highway and Central Road. That’s what I call downtown when we first moved here.

Q: That little. ..

LAIRD: Just that little area.

Q: …area. Now, is there anything that you’d like to add about living in Mount Prospect years ago? You did talk about your neighbors.

LAIRD: Yes, and I want to say also when we lived on Wapella there was a cornfield in back of us and we rented space and had victory gardens. Almost everyone had one on our street, and we had an engineer who used to almost measure every pea he put into the ground so that it would only be so far apart. I know one time the children were playing out in the –they had com shocks, and they thought the farmer was coming so they ran, ran and hid in someone’s house so that –but I don’t know whether they were ruining the com shocks or not, but they were afraid.

Q: Probably knocking them down.

LAIRD: Com shocks had a way of falling when you got close to them because, you know, it just set about eight or ten of them together to make up a little shock. Then usually around Halloween time we’d rake the leaves and sometimes we’d take them down to a comer across from Alyse Boylon’s home and we’d have a wiener roast. Of course, my children. ..

Q: Over the burning leaves.

LAIRD: The children all played together and had a wonderful time, and we really didn’t have to worry about locking our doors. Of course, the milkman would –if we weren’t going to be home, we’d leave him a note. He’d put our milk in the icebox for us.

Q: Really convenient so it didn’t stay out all day.

LAIRD: No, and was really wonderful.

Q: You popped the caps. If there is one thing you would want the children to remember about the history, what would that be? Your children.

LAIRD: Well, I think mainly how really simple life was then. They rode their bikes to school in the nice weather. My children went to Central School and that was about eight blocks. They had to cross the railroad track. Of course, in bad weather we pooled and mothers took different turns of picking up the children.

Q: In that respect, then Mount Prospect is kind of the same now as it was in the past would be certainly car pools in the winter. Except car pools kind of.. .

LAIRD: I think now so many of the children take buses.

Q: Except how about the parochial schoolchildren?

LAIRD: I don’t know about the parochial. I think bus picks the parochial children up too. Yes, my neighbors did have little children and they were picked up.

Q: And they were picked up at the bus also. What are the other things about Mount Prospect that are the same as they were in the past?

LAIRD: Of course, I still feel like it’s –I don’t feel like it’s such a big town as it really is, I guess because I’ve lived here so much. We moved to Barrington and were gone eight years. The nice thing about Mount Prospect is it’s convenient to almost everything, and of course we had good schools, good library.

Q: What do you think the future holds for this community?

LAIRD: I don’t know that it should change too much. I hope it doesn’t. I’m sure though that as people move further out, it will become more like the city, as all the towns do.

Q: SO you hope the population stays really right around 56,000?

LAIRD: I don’t see how it can change much. Well, it can because now we’re building this big condominium or rental place. I suppose that things will be tom down, but we don’t have any space for any buildings.

Q: Well, thank you very much for consenting to be interviewed.

LAIRD: Well, I’m sorry I don’t. ..

Q: I really appreciate it, Hilda.

LAIRD: You’re welcome.

Q: That’s a wonderful, wonderful recollections.

LAIRD: Well, not really.

Q: They’re important and they’re very interesting. Someone that’s been here since 1935, that’s really quite a long time.

LAIRD: Yes, it is.

Q: Yes, it is, and the changes that you’ve seen, the things that you’ve mentioned today, it’s really, really, really very nice. Thank you very much.

LAIRD: You’re welcome.

Does MPHS have photographs: Misc. images

Address in Mount Prospect: Unknown

Birth Date: Unknown

Death Date: Unknown

Marriage
Date: Unknown

Spouse: Unknown

Children: Unknown

Interesting information on life, career, accomplishments:

Ethel Kolerus was the first woman in Cook County to hold the office of Township Supervisor. She was originally from Mount Prospect and served as the Township Supervisor for Wheeling Township. At other times, she also served on the staff of U.S. Senator Charles Percy’s Chicago office and on the Wheeling Township Board of Auditors.

 

Does MPHS have photographs: Yes

 Address in Mount Prospect: 221 S. Owen

 Birth Date:

 Death Date:

 Marriage

 Date: No

 Spouse:

 Children:

Interesting information on life, career, accomplishments:

Dr. Louise Koester was the first doctor in Mount Prospect. She was born in Hanover, Germany and came to the U. S. in hopes of becoming a medical missionary to Africa. She attended Wheaton College studying medicine and dreamed of using her training in Africa. While looking for a hospital to complete her residency, she faced gender discrimination. It was hard for her to find a hospital that would allow her to train since the majority only allowed women to train as nurses. She learned about Mary Thompson Hospital which was the first all-women staffed hospital located in Chicago. Mary Thompson Hospital accepted Koester and she completed her training there.

Dr. Koester first heard of Mount Prospect through her friend and colleague, Dr. John Renner of Palatine. Dr. Renner told her of Mount Prospect’s need of a doctor in the growing community. She weighted her choices and decided that it was her calling to go to Mount Prospect and help the small community in need of a doctor, however she continued to contribute to missionary work, even donating enough money to build a hospital in Africa.

In 1926 Dr. Koester soon opened an office inside her house, charging two dollars for office calls and three dollars for house calls. Soon after Dr. Koester opened shop another doctor also moved to town. Realizing the need for a hospital, Dr. Koester and Dr. Wolforth opened up the first hospital for accident victims. When asked what it was like being a doctor at the time Dr. Koester commented, “It was very hard to be a doctor then for there were no antibiotics and the training included making all of the medicines we gave to patients. Many times it was hard to decide what to do for a patient so I did my best and prayed.”

A local doctor was reported to have said: “She won’t stay there very long, she’ll last only two weeks or maybe a few months. Who wants to go to a woman doctor anyway?” After twenty-six years of dedicated service, the Village of Mount Prospect acknowledged Dr. Koester’s work in a special proclamation in 1965.

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Address in Mount Prospect: 109 S. Emerson

Birth Date: 1861 in Wheeling Township

Date of Death: 1943 in Mount Prospect

Marriage
Date: Unknown

Spouse: Maria (b. 1858 d. 1944)

Children: Sophie (b. 1882) Louis (b. 1884) Christine (b. 1885) Marie (b. 1887) William (b. 1891) George (1894) Laura (b. 1897)

Interesting information on life, career, accomplishments:

The Kirchhoff family was a part of the German American community that developed in and around Mount Prospect. Not as much is known about this family as is known about some of the higher profile families, but it is known that William Kirchhoff worked with William Busse and William Wille in the founding of School District 57 and the construction of the Central School, the first public school in Mount Prospect. He had owned a farm in Wheeling Township from about 1880 until 1917 when he built a house in Mount Prospect. William was one of the earliest residents of downtown Mount Prospect. He built his house on Emerson Street the year the village was incorporated. There is a road that runs through Arlington Heights and Rolling Meadows that is named for this family, although the road is spelled with one “H” while William Kirchhoff’s name appears with two on his tombstone.

 

Does MPHS have photographs: Yes

Address in Mount Prospect:

Birth Date: March 28, 1913

Death Date: December 1995

Marriage
Date: February 1942

Spouse: Helen

Children: Five children

Interesting information on life, career, accomplishments:

Jack Keefer was a World War II veteran, having served for four years on the crew of a PT 332. He opened a pharmacy in Mount Prospect in 1949 and soon became a fixture in the community. He was involved with many local organizations including the Mount Prospect Historical Society. Below is a selection from an oral history that was done with Jack Keefer in 1991.

Interviewer: Michelle Oberly

Date of Interview: October 20, 1991

Oral history text:

MICHELLE OBERLEY: Hello. My name is Michelle Oberley. I’m the director of the Mt. Prospect Historical Society. Today is the 20th of October, 1991, and it is 1:30 p.m.. I have with me this afternoon for this oral history interview Mr. Jack Keefer. We are conducting this interview here at the Mt. Prospect Historical Society. We’re now located at 1100 Linneman Road in the old St. John’s School. I’d like to welcome Mr. Keefer this afternoon and thank him for agreeing to be part of this oral history project that will be used for the 75th anniversary of the town, and we’d like to commend him for volunteering his time. Welcome, Mr. Keefer. First of all, what we’d like to do is, you as a local businessman is one of the reasons we’ve invited you to participate in this tape. First of all, we’d like to start out by having you tell a little bit about yourself. Can you tell us, please, when you moved to Mt. Prospect and where you live-if you’ve lived in The same location since then? And then start off telling us a little bit about your business and how you came to be in the pharmacy business.

JACOB KEEFER: Thank you. Yes, I was born in Chicago on March 28th, 1913. At the age of two, my family bought a farm in central Wisconsin, Nakoosa, Wisconsin, which was a paper mill town, and we lived there for nine years during World War I. Then at the end of that time, why, we moved back to Chicago where I was born and moved back to Rogers Park. And I lived in Rogers Park until I went in the Navy in 1942 and I was gone for four years roughly, and then I came back to Chicago again. Shortly after I got back from the service, why, I married. I married just about the time I went into the service in the beginning of 1942, so it will be 50 years next February that we’ve been married. Then we moved to Highland Park. We bought a little house in Highland Park and we lived there for five years. During that time, I worked at a drugstore in Glencoe for Mr. Lee Adams, and eventually in 1949, I bought my drugstore here in Mt. Prospect in 1949 from Mr. Steve Brant. I’ve been here in Mt. Prospect ever since. When I bought the store, the town was, oh, maybe three and a half thousand people, and I think I had one employee and that was Evelyn Britt, who was a native of Mt. Prospect and she lived just two doors west here of the Historical Society Building on Linneman Road, and she’s still over at the drugstore today. As I say, she was the only employee at that time. Eventually I had twenty-eight employees in this drugstore. There were two independent drugstores when I came here. Eventually we had nine independent drugstores, and as of today, we’re back to two independent drugstores. So you can see, they’ve come and gone, and a lot of the big chain organizations have taken over a lot of the so-called drugstore business.

OBERLEY: Mr. Keefer, let me just interrupt here. I mean, everybody who’s listening now to this tape in 1991 will know where your drugstore was located, but, let’s say, beyond that, can you give us the address of the drugstore for the future audiences listening to this tape?

KEEFER: Yes. When I came to Mt. Prospect in 1949, I bought the store under the name of Brant Pharmacy from Mr. Steve Brant, who bought it previously from Doc Burda’s wife. When he bought the store, it was like in the little two-car garage behind the present brick building where Marcie’s Card Shop is today at 10 East Northwest Highway. And then Mr. Brant had Mrs. Burda build a brick building for him. It was 30×40 square feet, and he a little soda fountain in there. He operated for about two years, and then I came along and bought it from Mr. Brant. I was in there about five years renting the property, and then Mrs. Burda sold the building to me. After I took possession of the building, I put a new addition on the back, a new forty-foot addition onto the building because we were expanding and business was booming. I stayed in there then for 17 years. I got to a point where I didn’t have any parking really. They widened the road and took all the parking away. When I first came to Mt. Prospect, I used to park my car in front of the drugstore to make it look like I had a customer. So, now I get to a point where I not only have no parking for the customers, the piece of property that I owned was kind of a landlocked piece of property, and I didn’t have room to park my own car. The town is really booming about now, so I decided I needed another location. Right across the railroad track there was a Brumburg dime store, who came here-that building was put up in 1950, the Stop and Shop center there. He had a dime store there, and he was going to retire and go to California. So I rented the building from the Lambert Tree Estate, who were the owners there, for a period of a ten-year lease, with an option for ten more years. Then when my time ran out after ten years-that would be 1976, I believe-then I sold the store to a young man by the name of Jerry Pospisil and his wife Geraldine, who are still the owners today. I worked in the store after I sold it for five years, full-time, and then eventually I went on to four days a week, three days a week, two days a week, and it was only about a year and a half ago that I finally retired for good for the third time. I go in there practically every day. It’s nice to go over there and meet the people who used to trade with me. Pharmacy has been a big thing in my life. Our oldest son, Jim, a Wisconsin graduate in pharmacy, has a drugstore up in Waupaka, Wisconsin. My brother Al and I were classmates at the University of Illinois College of Pharmacy, and he has had a drugstore partnership in Evanston for the past 50 years, and his son and daughter are both pharmacists. I have a nephew in Tomahawk, Wisconsin, who has two drug stores in Tomahawk and his daughter, Bob Huston’s daughter, is a pharmacist also in Colorado. So we have a total of seven pharmacists in the Keefer family now.

OBERLEY: Interesting. Why pharmacy? Is there something in the family that. ..

KEEFER: Well, I was really destined to be a farmer originally. Then when we came back to Chicago, I went to a parochial school and my buddy asked me if I were going to go to high school. I didn’t tell you, I’m one of 13 children, by the way, and when you lived on the farm, of course, there was no opportunity to go to high school there because we lived seven miles from the end of the world. We didn’t have telephone or electricity. We had telephone the last two years, but we were there all these years without telephone and electricity. When I came back to Chicago and went to a parochial school, my buddy said to me, “Are you going to go to high school?” I said, “I really don’t know. Nobody else in my family ever went to high school.” But he said to me, “I am going to go to Lane Tech and become a printer.” That sounded good. I had never heard of Lane Tech, but I jumped on the streetcar and I traveled eight miles to Lane Tech, and I became a printer. I had Linotype and pressroom and composition-everything that goes up to make a printer. Fifty years later on, I wrote to him-he’s out in Montana-and asked him how come he didn’t go to Lane. He backed down. He said that he didn’t go to Lane because he didn’t have the seven-cent streetcar fare. Many times I would go-down from Lane Tech there was a grade school. I was the big farm kid, of course, but I would get on the streetcar and bend my knees a little bit and give the conductor three cents, you know, which is what it took for the kids to ride to school. So I didn’t have much more than the seven cents, either. But anyhow, I finished four years in printing and got out of high school in 1931 right in the middle of the Depression, and, of course, it was almost impossible to start a business or get a decent job. I got a job then delivering orders on a bicycle in a drugstore. I sold newspapers on the corner of Clark and Devon, which was a great big streetcar corner in Chicago. The streetcar barns were only two blocks north of there, and there were streetcars everywhere, so it was a good newspaper stand. Then I also had newspaper routes. At that time, the Hearst papers had the afternoon Chicago American paper, which I delivered-my brother and I both. It was a three cent paper daily and five cents on Saturday. So we delivered six papers a week for twenty-five cents, and on Friday night we would have to go back and collect the quarter for the papers. Somehow or other, our profit came out of that quarter, and we paid for six days of paper. We would go out in the evening and get the extra Hearst paper, which was the Herald Examiner. That was a morning paper, but they would come out with a night edition. We take maybe ten papers apiece and start over at Devon and Broadway in Chicago, which is 6400 North, and we’d walk down one side of the street to Lawrence Avenue, which is 4800 North-so you can see that’s about two miles-and then we would cross over and come back and try to sell these ten papers, which were three cents. The only businesses open in the evening were saloons-this was before Prohibition ended-and the automobile agencies up and down Broadway. We would hope somebody maybe would give us a nickel for the three-cent paper. But the fact that we always went out and sold the papers, we were always high man and we’d get coupons for that. The coupons for all of our newspaper routes we used to buy our clothing and gifts. Practically everything we had, we got for newspaper coupons. Newspaper business. And then, of course, I had a little print shop at home by this time, too, where I would print calling cards and envelopes and letterheads. I did it originally on a hand press, and eventually I got what they call a Peral Press. That was run by a treadle. I would have to use my foot to make the press run, and then later on I traded that in and got a larger press. Then, of course, after being out of high school for four years, I’m working in a drugstore and my brother Al was working in a drug store. He’s two years my junior. We decided to go to the University of Illinois and study pharmacy. Tuition was $35 a semester, two semesters a year. We paid our tuition in thirds. We would go down to the cashier’s office and pay one-third at a time. This school is down by the County Hospital. This is before the Eisenhower Expressway was in. You could down to some of these Greek restaurants or Italian restaurants and get a pretty good meal for a quarter. Or you could go in the backyards-the alley, I would say-back where Taylor Street is today. They had a bunch of sandwich shops where you could get a junior sandwich for a dime or a senior sandwich for fifteen cents of corned beef or pastrami, and that would last you a good part of the day. I remember one day we went down there to school and it was a bad snowy day and we took the streetcar to school, but there was no school so we went over to the delicatessen and bought a fifteen-cent sandwich and took it home with us and I think we ate on it for the rest of the day. They were huge and there was corned beef or pastrami. So. ..

OBERLEY: That sounds wonderful. You’ve seen a lot of changes.

KEEFER: Oh, yes. That was in the early days. Then, of course, we got out of school in 1939. We were in the first four-year class of pharmacy, and we ended up with a bachelor of science degree in pharmacy. By this time I was working for an independent drugstore out in Glencoe. My brother already was in Evanston working in the store that he eventually bought a partnership in. Two years after I was out of high school, of course, World War II started. I took a new job on December 1st of 1941, and a week later was Pearl Harbor. So I stayed with Parke-Davis for maybe a month learning their system. I knew I would have to go in the service. I was single. My wife and I-future wife-planned to get married the coming May of 1942. But then when I realized that I had to go into the Navy, I went up to Great Lakes and volunteered, and they took me and gave me a thirty- ay leave before reporting for duty. During that thirty days, we got married on February8, 1942. I was up at Great Lakes, of course, in ship’s company for a short time. Then I went to Fargo, North Dakota. I was in the medical department, of course. I went to Fargo, North Dakota, on a recruiting assignment with the U.S. Navy and spent five months there. Then the Army and Navy discontinued their Navy recruiting. Now everybody who was going into the service would have to go through the Army at Ft. Snelling in Minneapolis if you were in that area. Then at the end of the day-they were taking maybe ten percent of the men for the Navy-and they’d say, “Well, now, your papers show that your eyesight is such and your teeth and so and so, that you’re eligible for the Navy. Would you like to join the Navy?” That’s how they would get the recruits. But then, of course, that all came to an end in about two months. There’s no more recruiting, of course, so they shipped all of us medical people to the East Coast to Melville, Rhode Island, for PT boat training, which was supposed to take a couple months, but I think I was there three weeks and you had learn everything. You had to learn gunnery, navigation, motor mechanic, first aid, identification of airplanes and ships and all of that. As soon as I got out of there, I went to New York to the Brooklyn Navy Yard, which is the biggest Navy yard, I believe, in the world. There we outfitted our PT boats as they arrived. About every five days we would get a new PT boat, which was just stripped down with no gear on it, and our crew had to put the armament on it and the radar and smokescreen generator and all of that. I had to make provisions to take care of 250 men, which we would eventually have. Each squadron had 12 boats and a 250-man complement, and it was my job to give all of the shots to these men and get enough supplies to last us for the two years that we would supposedly be in the jungle. My commander was a U. S. Navy man, and he said, “Keefer, I don’t know anything about the Navy. All I can tell you is we’re going to be in the jungle for two years. I want you to get enough supplies to tide us over for two years, and you’re the senior medical man aboard.” I didn’t have a doctor until we got out into the jungle. Then, of course, I had help. So, where do we go from here?

OBERLEY: Well, just to keep on the track, we’ve got to get back ourselves to Mt. Prospect.

KEEFER: Oh, yes, yes. I’m sorry.

OBERLEY: No, no. This is fascinating because, you know, this will be information people will look back and be interested in. But let’s talk about when you first arrived. I mean, I’m sure the town looks very different today than when you first arrived in it. Do you have any memories or thoughts of what the town looked like? I mean, as a businessman in our downtown area, what. ..[phone rings]

KEEFER: Do you want to shut it off?

OBERLEY: What did the town look like? Excuse me.

KEEFER: Now we’ll go back to 1949 when I arrived in Mt. Prospect. Mt. Prospect was a small farming community, a very sufficient town that had a dry goods store, a hardware store, a grocery store. It had everything that you would expect to find in a small town. As far as the farms, the farms were all around us at that time, and a big crop was sugar beets. They raised a lot of pickles. They even had a pickle factory over on Northwest Highway and Wille. The sugar beets they would load on the railroad cars over in front of what was Kruse’s Restaurant at that time at Emerson and Prospect Avenue. Today it is Mrs. P and Me. Then they grew a lot of-what are the big flowers?

OBERLEY: Peonies?

KEEFER: Peonies. A lot of peonies out here, and I have never to this day been able to figure out what they do with these peonies. But that was a big crop. A lot of them were up on what we call Elmhurst Road today-[Route] 83-around where Zanies [Comedy Shop] is and Grandma Sally’s and that area. There were peonies everywhere. They grew a lot of tomatoes here, too, and the farmers would pick these tomatoes and take them to Chicago to the Campbell Soup factory. Of course, they grew all the other crops, too. But there were two drugstores here at that time. There was my store, which we call Keefer’s after I took it over, and Van Driel Drug Store at the corner of Emerson and Northwest Highway. There were three doctors in town. There was Dr. Woolfarth, Dr. Granzig and Dr. Kestler, a lady doctor, and they kind of took care of all of the needs of the people who were sick. The closest hospital, you could either go to Evanston to St. Francis, where four of our children were born, or you could go to Elgin. You had a choice. Of course, now today we’ve got many, many hospitals. But things really started to boom. The town was growing so fast, you couldn’t keep up with it. I remember the first day I filled fifteen prescriptions one day in the early part of my career here and I thought, “Boy, I’ve really got the world cornered now.” Fifteen prescriptions in one day! But I got to a point where I had three full-time pharmacists later on plus myself. I filled as many as 285 in one record-breaking day. This, of course, was before all of the chain pharmacies came along and took over. Even to this day, we’re doing real well under our new ownership over at the drugstore. Jerry over there is a very knowledgeable man and we’re very much involved in the colostomy and ileostomy business and he is an expert. He’s a real wizard on information for people who are in need of this type of medication. The prescriptions in the early days were not like today where you just count out pills or capsules or pour liquid. Practically all the prescriptions you got were for hand-made capsules or powders-powders where you take and put a bunch of papers out on the counter and fold them into neatly folded powders, like Setla’s Powders, if you’re familiar with that. The capsules all had to be the ingredients-maybe there were three, four ingredients-and they had to be weighed out very accurately and then divided into capsule form. Sometimes the prescription would call for, say, a hundred capsules. We even made suppositories at that time. This was before air conditioning, don’t forget. We didn’t have air conditioning, and suppositories are made with cocoa butter as a base and then you mix the ingredients into this cocoa butter, which melts at body temperature, so it was a real crazy thing. Many times on a Sunday afternoon, you’d get a prescription to make suppositories when you were really not in the mood to do it, but it had to be done. You’d run back and forth to the refrigerator and cool off the mass and then bring it out and roll it. They had to be rolled just like you would roll putty for a window. You’d roll it out and cut them into whatever length it was-maybe one and a half inch-and then shape them into suppositories. It was quite different from what it is today. We made up our own syrup. We’d make up a gallon of cough syrup, where today you just buy it. Everything is prefabricated. It took a lot of know-how and a lot of time to do this. People would come in, and they wouldn’t sit there and wait. Generally, they’d go out and do some other errands. Today they give you a prescription and they hand it to you and they want to know if it’s ready. You know, they’re always in a big rush today where before I think we had more time to do this. I just happened to run across some memo today where I found-I got some notes over here in my bag where it showed where we made two capsules, and I charged somebody, I think, 25 cents for these capsules. Today, you know, you say hello to someone, and they’ll give you a bill for probably five dollars. It’s just the opposite. So it has changed a lot. What else can we talk about at this point?

OBERLEY: Well, I’m curious. You say that they town has grown. .

KEEFER: Oh, it has.

OBERLEY: …tremendously. First of all, what attracted you to moving here? Did it look like, as the name suggested, that it would be a good prospect? Were you able to tell that other people would be in need of your type of store and move to the area? What first appealed to you?

KEEFER: What influenced me to come out here, I was working over in the North Shore. I always worked along the North Shore. I worked in Glencoe, Kenilworth, Lake Forest in drugstores, and I happened to be working in a drugstore just doing some relief work in Kenilworth. We had at that time Badger Ice Cream which came from Kenosha, Wisconsin-real good ice cream. It was eventually bought out by Bowman Dairy. The drugstore here in Mt. Prospect also had Badger Ice Cream, and the salesman told me that this drugstore in Mt. Prospect was going to be for sale. So I came out here to talk to the owner one day, and before I left, why, he handed me the keys and asked me if I would relieve him for two weeks so he could go on a vacation. He hadn’t had a vacation for a couple years. So I was free. I was just doing part-time work. So I stayed here for two weeks and ran the drugstore, and I fell in love with it. It was all new. Everything was brand-new. We didn’t have much merchandise, but we managed to get by. We had a little soda fountain with about twelve seats. By this time, I just had this one employee helping me, and I decided I would buy the store and, of course, then things started to boom and I enjoyed it. I felt like I was in a place where I could serve the needs of the people who needed my type of services. I was fresh out of the service, full of vim and vigor, and long hours didn’t mean much to me. I worked long hours. I’d come in maybe at eight in the morning and be here until, many times, ten o’clock at night, you know, six days a week plus Sunday shorter hours. So it was very rewarding, and I liked it real well.

OBERLEY: A question that comes to mind, you said you didn’t have too many products in the early days. Could you remember some of the things and how the product line grew in the store?

KEEFER: Oh, yes. We had a lot of proprietaries like for the kids, we had Castoria and we had a tonic called Congola and we had Milk of Magnesia and Citrate of Magnesia. We had Setla’s Powders and Kohler’s Headache Tablets and powders. Just about everything that you can think of. See, there were really more proprietaries at that time. We had a lot of salves that were made and put in I the tubes eventually, where originally we had to make them up by hand. In my portfolio here, I have a list of all of these things that you could buy in a drugstore because you didn’t run to a doctor every time you had some little ailment like you do today. You went to the druggist and he generally told you what to do and how to use it. That was the way of life. A doctor was kind of a novelty. You only went to him when you were really sick. If you went to the hospital, you knew you were sick, you know.

OBERLEY: Okay. Let’s just explore the possibility here of some of the other stores. Could you tell us a little bit about some of the other stores you would patronize or some of your neighbor’s stores, you know, next to your location?

KEEFER: Yes. On the corner, right around the corner was a Ben Franklin store. A man named Mr. Kelly ran that. That’s where the Grancic Building is, right next to the alley behind that corner building today. There was a Ben Franklin in there, and the post office was in that big building on Main Street, the post office. There was a bakery in there. Mr. Horrack had a bakery shop. Meeske’s Grocery had just put up a new building on the corner where the former Wille Home was. That was turned into Meeske Grocery Store, which was the big store-been here many years. Eventually they burned out and had to rebuild after a few years. At a different time, Ridenauer had a little dry goods store in there. A fellow by the name of Mr. Seek, had a boy’s, menswear store in there. I believe there was always a barber shop in there. Then over on the block where Biermann Hardware is there was a bowling alley where AI’s OIde Town Inn is today. That was the only bowling alley in town, and the pins were set by hand just like they were in the days when I set pins in a bowling alley in Chicago. There’s a young man here in town named Roy Otto You probably know him, a lot of you. Roy Ott used to set the pins in that bowling alley. Everything happened at the bowling alley. Every church had a bowling alley. I sponsored four ladies’ and four men’s bowling teams, and they all bowled over there in that little alley originally. Then a little later on over at Rand and 83, Elmhurst Road, where Fish Furniture Store is today, that became the first automated bowling in this area. A fellow by the name of Jack Gonelle, who had a little tavern and a restaurant in the front of the building, had this new bowling alley put in the back, and it was, I say, all automated, which was a real innovation in bowling. No more pin boys. That held up until later on when L. Fish Furniture came along and took it over and made a furniture store out of it. Then, of course, later on we did get two other bowling alleys. We had the one up on Rand Road by the-what do you call it up here? Rand Road around, oh, what’s the name of the big catering hall in there today?

OBERLEY: Oh, Mr. Peters? Around there?

KEEFER: No, no. No, the one where the Historical Society is going to have the big dinner next year?

OBERLEY: Oh, I can’t think of it.

KEEFER: I can’t think of the name of it, anyhow. Then there, of course, was the other bowling alleys over in the Busse Building on 83 right where Walgreen’s and Dominick’s are on 83 and Golf Road. There was a bowling alley up in there also. But I believe the one up on Rand Road is still there. What was that called? I can’t think of the name of it. My memory isn’t what it used to be.

OBERLEY: Well, your memory is doing pretty good, I think.

KEEFER: For 78 years. You know, you lose a little every year. Then what else did we have in town? As I said earlier, a lot of the little luncheons and noon get-togethers were allover at Kruse’s Restaurant, and you could go in there and for a dollar and a half and get a real good chicken dinner. I guess beer was probably twenty-five cents a glass. So that got to be quite a busy place. We had just a little post office, you know, originally on Main Street there in that big Busse Building on the east side of the street, and then they eventually built a new post office over where the Federal Savings and Loan bank was located here on Prospect Avenue and that was about 1960. Or ’60 maybe was the one over by the water tower. Anyhow, the post office was in that building where the Savings and Loan Bank is located today. That building was owned by Herman Mein. He was the blacksmith man who originally had a blacksmith shop here where the restaurant is on Northwest Highway there and Wille Street, you know, in that little triangle. There’s a restaurant there today. That used to be the blacksmith shop. Then eventually there was a Sinclair gasoline station there that was owned by Winkelmann before they built the one up at Central and Northwest Highway in the triangle up there. All right, so then the next post office, of course, was built over, as I say, by the water tower, which is now an office building, a one-story building. I believe that was 1960. And then, of course, the next post office was built over next door to the Haberkamp Greenhouses on …

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OBERLEY: …[conversation in progress] tape here. I’m talking with Mr. Jack Keefer. He’s going to be telling us more about his pharmacy business in the downtown. Mr. Keefer, would you like to tell us a bit more about some of the products in your…?

KEEFER: Yes.

OBERLEY: Or some more history about the town?

KEEFER: I’ll tell you a little bit more about the history. It sometimes becomes a little hodgey-podge because I don’t have it written down here in proper sequence. Usually in a small town it starts out you have a doctor, who arrives in the community and starts practicing and then the drugstore follows. But in the case of Mt. Prospect, it was in 1924 that a man by the name of Mr. Horstmann came to Mt. Prospect and started a drugstore over on West Busse Avenue. If you know where the Moehler Barber Shop used to be-there are a couple of girls in there who have a barber shop and hair salon today. That was Moehler’s Barber Shop. Well, right next door to the east there’s a two-story white building, the Wille Building, and the original drug store was started there in 1924. Do you just want to press that one second? [taping interrupted] In doing some research, I went to Arlington Heights to Paddock Publications and looked at a copy of the Palatine Enterprise which was dated April 18, 1924. The headline said, “A New Drugstore in Mt. Prospect. William A. Horstmann of Arlington Heights has opened a Mt. Prospect pharmacy in the Wille Building. This business institution is a great addition to Mt. Prospect and should receive the support and patronism of people living in that community. Mr. Horstmann is not a stranger to a large number of our citizens, as he is, strictly speaking, an Arlington Heights young man. He has had over eighteen years experience in the drugstore business, both as a wholesaler and a retailer and as a registered pharmacist. Patrons will be assured of having their prescription carefully compounded. He will carry such lines as are usually found in the best of the drugstores. The grand opening day will be held May the 3rd, further announcements of which will be given in these columns.” At about that time the following drug specialties were being advertised in the Cook County Herald: Dodd’s pills, Bayer Aspirin, Tantalac Tablets, Gold Medal Harlem Oil Pills, Zonite, Cuticura, Castoria, Frezone, Belans, Diamond Dye, Winslowe’s Soothing Syrup for the babies and Vaseline. You could buy a two-passenger Roundabout Ford car, FOB from Detroit. The lowest price, $265. Or you could get a Studebaker 6 for $1,045 or an Oakland for $1,095, and this was offered at Schoeppe’s in Palatine. Would you believe that? Schoeppe’s was an all-purpose store in Palatine, which wasn’t too many years ago when they went out of there. Other cars advertised were Durant, Star and the Jewitt. The play in Chicago was “Abbie’s Irish Rose.” It was playing at the Studebaker Theater on August 30, 1924. Then there was an ad read like this: It said, “Own a home like this one.” There was a picture of a house for $6,500 or $8,500 for the deluxe model. Everyone of these small towns, by the way at that time, had a small hospital. In Palatine they had Dr. Stark, who had a little hospital there. In Mt. Prospect, we had Dr. Woolfarth, who had a building over here at 111 West Prospect Avenue, and the building is still there today with a couple chiropractors in the building-right near where that printing place is. And here are some of the ads from the National Tea ad of that day. It said, “P & G Soap, ten bars for forty three cents.” Gold Dust, which was a very popular cleaning agent for the kitchen, was twenty-four cents a box. Corn Flakes, seven and a half cents a package. Lard, which was a big item in big use at that time, lard was thirteen and a half cents a pound. This was before we knew about cholesterol, you know. Then sugar was ten pounds for seventy-five cents. Also, in Mt. Prospect on another subject here, at Mt. Prospect, next door to where Van Driel is located today, Annen and Busse-well, there was a Busse all-purpose grocery store when I came here, and eventually Annen and Busse real estate were in there. But in 1924, they had an ad for that store. It said, “A large display of fireworks will be at the Mt. Prospect Ice Cream Parlor Store,” which was located right here on Northwest Highway and Main Street, the Mt. Prospect Ice Cream Parlor. June 13, 1924, they were going to have a big display of fireworks. Can you imagine that? I remember when I was a kid in Chicago, I would ride a bicycle all the way out Peterson Avenue to Lincoln to buy firecrackers, because they were illegal in Chicago and I had to go out to the edge of town to buy them. In Mt. Prospect at that time, we also had Dr. Wilhelm. He was an optometrist-“eyes tested and glasses fitted.” His office was in the Mt. Prospect Drugstore. His telephone number was 267-only three digits. He had hours on Monday and Friday from 7 to 9 p.m.-only two hours a day that he worked in the drugstore, and that was very common at that time. Here’s a little item. It said, “Herman F. Mein, a blacksmith on Northwest Highway and Wille Street”-you all know where that is. That’s where that restaurant is in that triangle up there. So you want to …? .

OBERLEY: Okay. Thank you very much for that. We’ve got a few more questions here. We’d like to go back again to your business. How did you advertise? How did you get people to know about the kinds of things you were doing in your store? Were there any advertisements that were your favorites or was the community the type that a lot was word of mouth?

KEEFER: Well, of course, we had the Paddock papers at that time. The Cook County Herald, which most of the people read, and also, from time-to-time, we had small newspapers that sprung up. We had the Mt. Prospector, when I came here. The office was on the corner over there by Northwest Highway and 83 in the big white building at that time. Mr. Folks and his wife ran that. It was a kind of a picture paper. They were photo bugs, and they took a lot of pictures of happenings in town and then they combined it with a story to make a little news item for the community. But the big papers would always buyout the little guys, and then we’d come up with somebody else. Another time Di Mucci came up and started a newspaper in town, but that didn’t last too long. I always said I do a lot of advertising, like I sponsored four ladies’ and four men’s bowling teams, four ladies’ and four men golf teams, and I figured this was very good advertising. I remember one of the first things I did here when I came to town-there was no Catholic Church here, and St. Raymond’s was being organized and they wanted to hold a bake sale. So I had a big store without a lot of merchandise it in, and we had the bake sale right in the front window of the drug store. These were the things that I thought was good advertising to get people to know me and know what I stood for, and I was always available to be a help to somebody in need. So I didn’t spend a lot of money. I never did advertise, by the way, in the Yellow Pages just because I felt the Yellow Pages I couldn’t afford. They were very expensive. I did other little things to promote my name in town and it seemed to work.

OBERLEY: Well, I know that you’ve been active with some of the local civic events in the community. What other kinds of groups did you sponsor through your long career in town? What kinds of activities did you become involved in?

KEEFER: Oh, yes. That’s a good question. You know, before I arrived on the scene, they had a chamber of commerce in town and then it went defunct. In fact, they even had a bank account left over with a couple dollars in it until in the middle of the ’50s sometime. But in 1949, a group of the businessmen in town-I have all their names here somewhere-started to reorganize a chamber of commerce. Of course, I got very much involved in that. I was president for a number of years and treasurer, I think, for ten, twelve years-secretary and everything else. If you were to try and call the chamber of commerce in Mt. Prospect, the phone would ring in my drugstore. Maybe you wanted to know what the elevation of the town was and the height or how many grains of hardness in the water. Anything like that pertaining to the physical an geographical aspects of the community, I knew. If I didn’t have the answer, I was sure to find out what the answer was and get back to you. So I felt like I was really a part in helping get this community going and be a service to the people. There were a lot of things that we did. We started a parade in about 1954, I think. We started the Fourth of July Parade. That was started by Dick McMann, who had a dry goods store over on Prospect Avenue and Wille, Carter Bowen, who had the music store at that time on West Busse Avenue, right across the street from Olde Town Inn, Herald Rickless, who was with the Paddock Publication, and myself. The four of us started this Fourth of July Parade. Now, Carter Bowen was the music man and Rickless was publicity and Dick McMann and I built floats. We had beautiful homemade floats for every parade. I remember the first year we were going to end up-we started out here on north Emerson Street. There was a park up at Emerson around Memory Lane in there, and we were to cross the railroad track to go to Lions Park. Of course, the authorities said, “No, you can’t do that. You have to have a permit from the state to cross the railroad track.” Well, to this day we have never had a permit, and we’ve had a parade every year. But we patrol it and the police help us. We had some wonderful parades, and I have many pictures of all of these parades at home in both color and black-and-white. Then, of course, we also had the Memorial Day parade we helped run for the VFW, which was in May. So we’ve always had two parades here in Mt. Prospect ever since back in the early ’50s, and they were well-attended and we’re real proud of it.

OBERLEY: Okay. Let’s see. Some other questions here. [taping interrupted] Okay. Was there any special way that this early chamber of commerce and your businessmen would get together to talk? I mean, did you ever, you know, deliberately get together with your colleagues at, let’s say, a certain restaurant or somewhere to discuss things? Was there a routine that developed?

KEEFER: Oh, yes. We had monthly meetings. Definitely. We had monthly meetings, and we would have outside speakers come in and talk to the members. Then we had the typical Christmas party and party around the middle of the year. We always had dinners going on. I remember one year at Christmastime, we had a Santa Claus. We engaged a man to be Santa Claus, and he lived in the north end of town up around Rand and Louis Street in there. He would work at the Mt. Prospect State Bank, we’ll say, in the morning, and then he would work at the Federal Savings and Loan Bank in the afternoon. He would greet the kids and give them candy and talk to them and have the pictures taken, and that was quite an interesting thing. It was my job to pick him up when he was finished at one bank and take him home for lunch and then bring him back in the afternoon. Then I would be driving down the side streets, maybe past a school and the kids look in there and see Santa Claus and they’d say, oh, Mr. Keefer with Santa Claus!” It was hilarious, you know. But we did that for quite a number of years. Then one year we had a float in the parade, a Christmas parade it was. We met Santa Claus. He came in on the train and we put him on the float and it was raining and sleeting and snowing, and they get out here in the residential section around Hi Lusi and Council Trail in there and the float broke down and here’s poor Santa Claus out in the snow and rain. We had to abandon the float and take him in a car and go back later on and pick up the float. Let’s see. How did we start out in this? Well, we had meetings. Yes, we had meetings all the time. For a while later on, we would go down to Gonelle’s when he had a dining room there. Sometimes it was just a little committee meeting. We would go over to Kruse’s Restaurant. Then, of course, Mt. Prospect Country Club was owned by the Sophie family-Mr. Sophie and his three sons-and, of course, all of our big banquets would be held at the Mt. Prospect Country Club. Everything happened over there. So we had a lot of activity. We didn’t have the expressway here like we have today where we could run into town. We didn’t have O’Hare Airport. If you wanted to go for an airplane trip, you’d have to drive out to 55th and Cicero out to Midway, and that was a big project to do because when you wanted to go out there in the morning, that’s when the traffic was heavy. I went out there one morning with Dr. Bagnolo, who came to town a few years after I did, and we get out there just as the plane was taking off for Florida. In those days, you had to make a reservation maybe three, four days in advance. I had to take him back home and turn the telephone back on and the milkman on, and then he had to make another arrangement for a flight going to Florida. So it was a lot different than today. The expressway was built quite a while after we came here. That changed our way of living quite a bit. We have always had, of course, the Northwestern commuter train, which is one of the finest in the world. That’s been a real factor in helping these towns like Mt. Prospect, I think, develop-that we had good transportation.

OBERLEY: Yes. I was going to ask, did the train, did you see any changes with the commuters and the commuter traffic? I mean, your business being located so close to the train line. Do you think that was successful? A good location to that? KEEFER: Yes. Yes. It was a good thing to be near the train. However, when they go by in the morning, you’re closed. When they come in the evening, they have one thing in mind-they’re going to go home. They’re going to, you know, run right by. But it is good because they’re living near the train tracks some way where they can get back and forth very easy, and, yes, the location I think is very good and our parking is very good where we are now on Prospect Avenue there. Very good.

OBERLEY: I liked that story about Santa Claus and the abandoned float. I leads me to ask, was there any certain particular way you would decorate your stores for the holidays or do special promotions in addition to Santa Claus to attract business? KEEFER: Oh, yes. See, we did a lot of, as we call, the front-end business in the store. I remember going down there the night before Christmas, the day before Christmas, and moving the stock forward because you really sold everything you had. It was the only place they could buy the merchandise was in these local stores. We didn’t have the big chain stores at the time. Yes, we all decorated. My gosh, I always had two beautiful twelve-foot windows in there, either Christmas trees or a Santa Claus display. That was part of the excitement of getting ready for Christmas. One year we invited all of the kids over to the VFW for a Christmas party, and we gave them candy and snacks, you know. Then we were going to show them a kiddie movie. Well, somehow or other, they got things mixed up down at the distributor. Instead of getting a movie for the kiddies, we ended up with a travelogue, and, of course, that wasn’t too good. But at that time, where Jake’s Pizza is over here today, that was owned by a couple called Mel and Paul. They had a restaurant over there. It started out with a hamburger shop originally in a trailer right on the corner of the point there. They had a little trailer. Then eventually they put up that building, and he was quite a movie bug. He ran home and picked up some kiddie movies that he had at home and brought them over and saved the day. But these are the things you’d run into, you know, just like the Santa Claus getting caught in the rain and snow. But they all made for a well-knit community, and we did real well.

OBERLEY: In comparison for these early years versus today, would you say that the community was friendlier back then or people knew each other a bit more, or do you say that no, the town’s pretty much remained the same? What are your thoughts? KEEFER: Well, now, this was the day before drugs on the street, before hippies, and at one time, I could stand over there on the corner and I would say that probably a third to a half of the people I knew as they walked by, you know. They were all natives here, and they traded in the local stores where today a lot of them never come into a local store, you know. They’ve got their favorite places to go, and you just seemed to be more involved with them. You were going to church, and you knew all of the people from your church. Everybody in my church I knew. I was working on fund-raising campaign and running bazaars and everything else, so you became very well-acquainted with them-more so, I think, than you do today. We had baseball games. First thing I did when I came to Mt. Prospect, they asked me if I would sponsor and American Legion baseball team. I said, “Sure.” Five hundred bucks. I didn’t know, of course, that baseball bats came in different lengths and different weights and all that. I found out real quick, though. One Saturday morning they came running into the store. They needed a dozen baseball bats-certain lengths and certain weights and all of that-and I had to have my wife run down to Evanston and pick them up that morning because they had a game scheduled. I didn’t have a nickel’s worth of insurance on these kids, being new. But the following year, I took all of my equipment and turned it over to help form Little League in town. Everything that I had was put into the Little League program. Of course, they had a blanket insurance policy that covered all of the kids. I remember right off the bat, one of the kids broke his ankle or his wrist-I forget what it was-and I got a check for $1,000 to hand to the mother to pay the expense. Fortunately that didn’t happen to me when I had the team the first year without any expense. But we were very involved in the community. We were involved in baseball game and then midget football started shortly after that. That took another whole big group of people to keep that going.

OBERLEY: Let’s see. What other special events in town? I mean, you talked about the parades, you’ve talked about starting the sports leagues. Are there any other big events that you can think about or memories or special things that stick out in your mind?

KEEFER: Yes. One of the big things in town here was the Lions Club. They were organized in 1934, which is, I think, fifty-seven years ago. Every year they had a fall festival. Originally it was held in various places in town. One time it was held over by the water tower where the water tower is now. Another time it was held over here where Keefer’s Drugstore is today, in that corner triangle. Another time it was held over on Owens Street in the park. It was held one time in here where the car wash is on Prospect Avenue. It was held there. We had nothing but rain, and we took loads of sawdust and spread it allover, you know, to keep the ground dry. Then eventually we went into Lions Park, because the Lions Club donated the sixteen acres of property that eventually became Lions Park. This was before we had a park district here in town, and that sixteen acres of property became the nucleus for the Mt. Prospect Park District. Then when they had the Fall Festival every year with the Lions Club, why, that was a big drawing card, especially when it was in Lions Park because people could walk to it. It wasn’t as big as it is now, but eventually we wore out our welcome. I guess the noise was too much and people got tired of us and we went over to Melas Park where we have the carnival at the present time. So that was always a big thing.

OBERLEY: Okay. Well, I also want to ask you since you’re a member of our Historical Society, can you remember some thoughts about when the Historical Society was started because I know you’ve been involved for many years?

KEEFER: Yes, I can. In ’76, ’86? Anyhow, twenty-four years ago it is now. Next year it will be twenty-five years ago we started. We had the fiftieth anniversary celebration of our community, and all of the businessmen in town donated some money toward the celebration. It was a big thing. We had a big band out here, and we had one of the biggest parades we ever had. We had the Medina parade people out here with their horses, and it was a big thing. At the end of the celebration, we had a certain amount of dollars left, and they said, “What are we going to do with the money?” A committee of us got together and decided- here was a man here in town by the name of John Weber, who was president of the Historical Society at one time. We got together and decided we would use this money to start a historical society in town. That was the initial funding that we came up with. Of course, after that we had membership and other means of collecting money. Yes, I remember that real well. Let’s see, what would that be-1966?

OBERLEY: About ’68.

KEEFER: 1968. Yes. That’s when we had our fiftieth anniversary, in ’67.

OBERLEY: You know that the downtown of Mt.Prospect has changed over the years physically. Do you think the changes are better or do you think it was better the way it was in the 1940s when you first came here? That’s a very objective question.

KEEFER: Yes, it is. I’ll tell you, …

OBERLEY: I mean a very subjective question.

KEEFER: Due to the fact that you have such a large population in town, the old town wouldn’t really be big enough to service the population today. So, our center of town has turned into more of a service type of community where you have barber shops and offices and drugstores and eating places. Then the big, big stores with all the merchandise, they’re in the shopping centers. The fact that people have generally two cars to a family, why, the mother can get out and go shopping with the car, and she doesn’t have to depend on walking to the stores like they did years ago. When you figure out years ago our border in town was from Wa Pella here to, oh gosh, down here to Prospect Road. That was the big area really. Then maybe from Central to the railroad tracks here. That was the business part of town. Today, of course, the big stores are a mile or two away. But it’s no factor, because once you’re in the car, why, it doesn’t make any difference if you drive one mile or two miles. Another unusual thing that happened here in 1949, we did not have a movie in town. A young couple here by the name of-oh, I can’t think of it. Anyhow, they decided they were going to start a movie house in town, and they sent out a number of postcards. I don’t know how many, and the postcard read something like this: “Would you like to have a movie in Mt. Prospect?” And, of course, everybody wrote down yes. So with that small amount of information, they decided to build a movie house here in town, which was built in 1950, and I still have the original opening night program.

OBERLEY: Do you remember what the movie was?

KEEFER: No, I don’t. No, I don’t. This happened to be at the time when TV was coming into its own. The movie was a disaster. The movie house never did get their feet on the ground because, number one, they had no parking. They didn’t have a single parking spot there for the movie house, and TV was coming in full blast. They’d say, you know, why should I go to a movie house when I can watch TV for nothing. It was a disaster from the very beginning, unfortunately. I felt so sorry for these people because the movie just didn’t cut the mustard.

OBERLEY: It just didn’t take off.

KEEFER: It didn’t take off. No, it didn’t.

OBERLEY: Well, just as a final question, because you’ve been great talking here all afternoon, just one final question. Just your philosophy here. This I’m going to read off of a suggested sheet of questions. It’s probably the only one I’m taking verbatim.

KEEFER: Can you hold that off one second? [tape interrupted]

OBERLEY: Okay, if there’s one thing that you would want children to remember about the history of their hometown, what would it be?

KEEFER: What would it be? Well, I’ve been halfway around the world a couple of times, and, as I always say, “There’s no place like home.” The old saying used to be, “Be it ever so humble, there’s no place like home.” I think home is where you grew up, and this is where you have your roots and you might go halfway around the world, but still you’re going to appreciate your own hometown more than anything because you were part of it and you grew up there and you made the community go by being involved in it. This is where your friends are. A lot of times I think of moving away, but really my friends are right here in Mt. Prospect and this is where I’d like to spend my remaining days.

OBERLEY: Well, thank you very much, Mr. Keefer, and we appreciate this interview. Be it so humble, there’s no place like home here in Mt. Prospect. Thank you.

KEEFER: Okay.

 

Does MPHS have photographs: Yes

The following oral history text is from a collaborative project between the Mount Prospect Historical Society and the Mount Prospect Public Library. Interview took place on 5/18/88.

BECKER: This is May 18, 1988, Mount Prospect Historical Museum. Helen Becker for the Historical Society. This afternoon, I’m talking with Mr. Al Juhnke, who is a long-time resident of Mount Prospect and the area, and we’d like to ask him questions about his growing up and his life here. Mr. Juhnke, can we have some words from you?

JUHNKE: Sure. I’m AI Juhnke. I was born and raised right where the Huntington Commons buildings are sitting now. From there on, when my mother died, we moved over to where my grandparents lived, where the bowling alley is sitting now, which is Dominick’s. When I started school, the first year, we went over to a little public school on Golf and Linneman Road. For the first, second through seventh, I went to the Lutheran school. Through eighth, we had to go back to the public school to get our diploma.

BECKER: To the same little school?

JUHNKE: The same little school where we started with the first year, second through seventh we went to the Lutheran school. Eight, we had to go back to the public school to get our diploma.

BECKER: What comer was that on? You said Golf and. ..

JUHNKE: That would be on the southeast comer. They have a picture up here in the museum of that school, yes. Nobody knew what it was.

BECKER: It was a public school.

JUHNKE: Yes. It was a public school. Possibly eight or nine children were about tops at that time.

BECKER: One room.

JUHNKE: One room, sure. We had a potbellied stove. My job was to take a bushel of com cobs and get the fire going in the morning.

BECKER: Now, what years would that have been?

JUHNKE: I was born in 1906. It could have been 1912 when I started school. And from then on, I went to church over here.

BECKER: At St. John?

JUHNKE: St. John’s. Joined a choir. I belonged to St. John’s until I was about nineteen years old. Then I struck out on my own, went to St. Paul’s in Mount Prospect.

BECKER: All this time you lived down where Dominick’s is now?

JUHNKE: Yes, yes. All that while.

BECKER: Yes.

JUHNKE: Where was I?

BECKER: You went to St. Paul’s.

JUHNKE: Then I went to St. Paul’s church. Later on, I got married. In ’28, I got married. We moved to Des Plaines and when my children were ready to go, we had a little tough luck during the Depression. We lost our home. Then we went to Mount Prospect, and I rented an apartment from what is our secretary’s father and mother. We rented an apartment from them.

BECKER: And where was that?

JUHNKE: In Mount Prospect. In Mount Prospect.

BECKER: Yeah, but where?

JUHNKE: Over on Pine Street. I think it was Pine Street. I’m not too positive. It was on the south side. ..

BECKER: On the south side.

JUHNKE: South side of the tracks. Then I came back here in 1957. I joined St. John’s here again.

BECKER: I see. This was when they had the new church, or was it the little old white-framed church?

JUHNKE: No, no. It was the church that’s here now.

BECKER: The new one across the street.

JUHNKE: No, no. That’s a school.

BECKER: That’s right. That’s right.

JUHNKE: The church is over here.

BECKER: The church is right down here.

JUHNKE: And, been a member. ..

BECKER: Before the steeple burned or whenever that was.

JUHNKE: Well, the steeple blew down. That was. ..

BECKER: Yeah.

JUHNKE: …I’d say possibly six or seven years ago that the steeple blew down.

BECKER: It was longer ago than that, wasn’t it?

JUHNKE: Could it be? Possibly.

BECKER: Could be. I know. Time goes. ..

JUHNKE: Time goes. ..

BECKER: …in a hurry, I know.

JUHNKE: Anyway, but we needed a steeple back because we had people in this area that didn’t even belong to our church. They said, “You’ve got to build this steeple. That’s the first thing we see in the morning.”

BECKER: Right! Right.

JUHNKE: And build it. So we did. We did. And now we’ve really done a lot in our church in the last five or six years. We put new carpeting in and had our benches all redone. We just got through putting all new leaded glass in the front of the church. That was just completed last week. And it’s a beautiful church inside.

BECKER: When was it built and first opened?

JUHNKE: This church is celebrating its 145th anniversary this. ..

BECKER: A hundred forty-five.

JUHNKE: A hundred forty-five years.

BECKER: That’s about 1840 or something like that.

JUHNKE: Could be somewhere in there. Yes. Could be somewhere. ..

BECKER: Not many houses around here at that time, were there?

JUHNKE: There wasn’t hardly any! There wasn’t hardly any. Our teacher lived over, what the old little white house is now, behind the school. That’s where our teacher M~ lived –which was my teacher.

BECKER: I recognize the name, I think. Mist, mist. ..

JUHNKE: Masky. His son finally had a store in Mount Prospect.

BECKER: Yes. I see.

JUHNKE: Teacher Masky was here, would you believe it, forty-three years teaching –one-classroom school when I was here. He had between, I could possibly say, between fifty and sixty children. One teacher.

BECKER: No problems, either.

JUHNKE: No problem. We respected the man. And our pastor at that time was Pastor Garret. He was here forty-four years. He confronted me.

BECKER: Then you’re saying now that the first year of school you went down on Golf and Linneman. Then this school, where we are now, would have been built when? In 19- …

JUHNKE: 1901, I think. The cornerstone is out there. I think it’s 1901 that this building was built. Now this building was only –it’s been added to since it was a one-room school. Finally, it wound up to be a two-room school.

BECKER: Oh, is that right?

JUHNKE: Yes.

BECKER: With the wall down the middle that there is now?

JUHNKE: That’s right. That’s right. See, there was a two-room school. And when I belonged to the choir, we had our fun games down here. We had a one-lane bowling alley set in down on the west side of the wall in here.

BECKER: You did? Where?

JUHNKE: It’s out now. It’s out now. On the west wall.

BECKER: Oh. Over on that side.

JUHNKE: Right.

BECKER: I’ll be darned.

JUHNKE: It was quite a contraption. It had no pins, but it had flap flags with a little ball like that, with numbers on it. I think there were five numbers. So you threw your ball and maybe one number was twenty. All right. You got twenty points. So, when you were through bowling, you’d pull the lever and that would set those flaps back in –set those back up again.

BECKER: Well, how long is that? That would be about what? Twenty or thirty feet long? Is that about all?

JUHNKE: Well, now it was quite a bowling alley. I mean, it was. ..

BECKER: I mean from here, you know, from here.

JUHNKE: Yeah. We only had about that much room on the end of the bowling alley.

BECKER: I’ll be darned.

JUHNKE: Then we met down here, in the choir. We used to practice choir in here. And then we’d come down in the basement. At one time, we had, for about three years I would say, we had a little boxing team going on down here. We did some boxing. It started out as a point system. You know, nothing above the shoulders –the point system. Well, finally, it got to be a grudge fight and that was the end of it. I mean, we got told, well, we don’t want any bloodshed. And it would have amounted to that, I think, if we’d have kept it up.

BECKER: This is when you were going to school or when you were grown up in the choir?

JUHNKE: When I was in the choir. See, I couldn’t join the choir until. ..

BECKER: You were an adult.

JUHNKE: …we were adults. I think I joined the choir possibly when I was possibly sixteen or seventeen years old.

BECKER: I see.

JUHNKE: In the summertime, we had a great big school picnic here. We’d draw at least, I’d say, fifteen hundred people. And we’d put on a play–the choir would put on a play. We’d set a stage up outside. We’d put on a play, and people from all over would come. It was beautiful. We had all trees out there. And then we had what we call flag drills at that time. Teacher Mask~ was good at that. I mean, we had our flags, you know, like this –cross them. It was something all right.

BECKER: When you were growing up, what was your occupation?

JUHNKE: Well, I stayed on a farm until I struck out for my own. And then I learned the carpenter trade. I was a carpenter in mostly cabinet work. I finished up a cabinet maker. And then I worked for the Mount Prospect school district.

BECKER: Oh, did you?

JUHNKE: Fifty-seven -I worked for the school district for about possibly five and a half, six years, in their cabinet shop. I built…

BECKER: Is that right?

JUHNKE: They didn’t buy a cabinet while I worked over there. I built them all.

BECKER: Now was this little school that you originally went to –was that District 57, or was there a District 57 at that time?

JUHNKE: I don’t really know what this little public school district. ..

JUHNKE: A lot of people don’t –it’s changed.

BECKER: Oh, course it has.

JUHNKE: Look at all the new people that we’ve got in here.

BECKER: Yeah. They move in and out. Now, when you were growing up, tell me something about the area –where you lived and what houses were there and the people that were there and what they did.

JUHNKE: Well, the only thing that I can really remember is the teacher Mask~’ s house, the pastor’s house. That was an old one. That was not the house that is sitting there now. That was a really old one that was sitting south of the church, which they finally tore down when we built the new parsonage. And the rest was all farm land. There were a couple of houses on Lenemen Road. Arthur Linneman had a farm. And the rest was all farm. I mean, Masky even had –I don’t know how many acres.

BECKER: That’s the teacher you’re talking about.

JUHNKE: That teacher, he raised onion sets. He had a cow. He got his own milk. He was a typical farmer in the summertime, during vacation time. But he was one heck of a teacher.

BECKER: He was.

JUHNKE: He was one heck of a teacher.

BECKER: Must have been.

JUHNKE: He was. He was a good man.

BECKER: Teach eight grades?

JUHNKE: Well, he had six grades.

BECKER: Six grades.

JUHNKE: From two to seven.

BECKER: Well, what happened before that? I mean, if he started at the second grade, who had first grade?

JUHNKE: Over at the public school.

BECKER: That was there at that time?

JUHNKE: Oh sure.

BECKER: That public school was there while you went to Lutheran school?

JUHNKE: Sure.

BECKER: I see.

JUHNKE: Then the rest –finally to come on in. Then they started building homes along Linneman Road here. Mr. E~ I think, built the first house –that little house that’s sitting just a little bit north of the school there. And then Mr. Witt come in, Mr. Oakum come in. And I think that’s the three houses –no, there’s another fellow come in there. Can’t remember his name right now –the first house. They come and then they started building more homes and more homes and more homes.

BECKER: Making more roads and so on.

JUHNKE: Making more roads and keeping them up. The roads were here, but they kept them up better. .

BECKER: Yes.

JUHNKE: In the wintertime, when we’d come to school over here, I mean, there was a farmer. He lived about, I’d say, four of five miles from here and he’d come with a team of horses and a sled. And he’d come down Elmhurst Road and he’d pick up all the kids there were off of Elmhurst Road and he’d take them up to school here. And at night he’d comeback.. .

BECKER: He would.

JUHNKE: …with the team of horses and –of course, we did most of the walking. We walked right through the field, you know, because it wasn’t too far from Huntington Commons to the school. Then we had little ball games going. I mean, we kind of amused ourselves a little different than they do today. If you don’t buy a child a toy today, he can’t amuse himself.

BECKER: Unless he watches TV.

JUHNKE: Yes.

BECKER: Well, you do more reading, you do more game playing, I think, without this. ..

JUHNKE: I do a lot of reading. I read two newspapers a day. I’m retired.

BECKER: And you were in carpentry.

JUHNKE: All my life, all my life. During the Depression when there was no carpenter work, I happened to know a fellow in Des Plaines that had a laundry. So I asked him if I could go to work for him. He said, “Yeah. I’ll put you on commission. Whatever you make is yours.” Okay. So I worked for him for possibly two or three years, and then it got to the point where he said, All the charge accounts are okay. He said, People haven’t got the money charging. I said okay. Then finally he came to me and said, “AI, you owe me so much dollars because I can’t collect from those people.” I said, “Wait a minute. You okayed them.” So what did I do? I went to my dad. I said, “Dad, I lost my job. I’m going to quit. What are you going to do now? Well, there was a store vacant in Mount Prospect. I said, “I’m going to buy me a little truck if you help me a little bit with the money. I haven’t got it.” So he said, “How much do you need?” I said, “Well, let me find out how much it is going to cost.” So he gave me the money and I started up a little, a dry cleaning store right in Mount Prospect that the village owns now –just the first store west of the village building, that old stucco building. There used to be an old stucco there, that the shoemaker was in.

BECKER: Yes. I remember that.

JUHNKE: Okay. I had the store east of the shoemaker’s shoe store.

BECKER: I see.

JUHNKE: And I ran that impossibly during the Depression, cleaner and laundry. I’d go out and I’d built up a laundry route. And then when times got to the point where they were putting in basements again, my brother happened to be out of work that time. I said, “Alfred, you want the business, you can have it. I’ll give it to you.” I gave him the truck. I gave him the whole works. I went back to carpentry. I went back and I stayed. It was good to me. Carpentry was good to me.

BECKER: Well, I think it’s kind of a rewarding occupation. My grandpa worked in that,too, kind of for recreation and so forth.

JUHNKE: It is. Take a piece of wood and make something. I’ve had a good life. I’ve had my tough times.

BECKER: How many children did you have?

JUHNKE: Two. A boy and a girl.

BECKER: That’s a good…

JUHNKE: Well, we wanted three. We had planned on three, but my wife developed a tumor and that was the end of childbearing. That was all.

BECKER: Well, you’ve had one of each.

JUHNKE: I was thankful.

BECKER: I tried three times, and I got three girls and then I gave up.

JUHNKE: The Lord had been good to me.

BECKER: Your children have each gone their own way, I assume.

JUHNKE: Yes, both live in Florida.

BECKER: They do!

JUHNKE: Not by choice. My son-in-law married my daughter, he had a quadruple bypass, and he was told to not stay here where it’s cold. You’ve got to go where it’s warm. And my son cracked himself up with a snowmobile and he put himself into limbo where he couldn’t work anymore. So they went to Florida. They were just in here. They just left yesterday. My son’s mother-in-law died so they came in for the funeral. They went back yesterday morning.

BECKER: Well,. that gives you a place to visit.

JUHNKE: Well, I’ve been there so many times. Believe me, I just don’t like Florida.

BECKER: I don’t know whether I would either.

JUHNKE: I like to go there, but I’m telling you, I don’t like the climate.It’s so humid there! I should get up in the morning and the dew is hanging on the cars outside. If the windows are open, the bedclothes are damp.

BECKER: Well, you’re a Midwesterner.

JUHNKE: Yes. I loved it up North. I went fishing up North, northern Minnesota, for thirty years and I loved it up there. I love the climate here. love that.

BECKER: Well, change of scene is …

JUHNKE: I love the seasons. Oh, sure. You’ve got something to look forward to. What do you have in Florida?

BECKER: Nothing but the same.

JUHNKE: Nothing but the same. My son brought us some grapefruit. He’s got a grapefruit tree on the front yard. There’s some big ones on there yet. He says the little ones are already this big. Now, he hasn’t seen change there. It’s just a continuation. They like it. It’s not their choice. It’s because they have to. I think they begin to like it there now that they’ve been there. My son has been there, I think, going on eleven years. And my daughter just moved there about three years ago. My son lives in the house, and my daughter and her husband, they bought a trailer. It’s a nice one, though. I mean, it’s got as much –we’ve got a three-bedroom home where we’re living, and I think they’ve got as much room in that trailer as we have in our house.

BECKER: Is that right? Do they have children?

JUHNKE: Yes. They have three sons and a daughter. Grandchildren.

BECKER: Well, are they fairly close together?

JUHNKE: Well, one of them lives here, one lives –no. My granddaughter lives in Woodstock, and one grandson lives in a trailer park over here on Elmhurst Road. And the other grandson lives in an apartment building, I venture, in that area. And one grandson lives in –he used to live in Fox Lake and he just moved. I can’t think of it.

BECKER: Well, anyway. They’re within driving distance.

JUHNKE: Oh, yes. And I talk to my kids about once every two weeks or so. We either call them or they call us.

BECKER: Now, suppose we go back to the early days of St. John’s school here. Can you tell me what it was kind of like on a typical day?

JUHNKE: Well, the first thing we did, we had prayer in the morning. Then we had religion. Then we went into reading, writing, arithmetic and learning our lessons. Then, in the afternoon, we …

BECKER: Did you go home for lunch?

JUHNKE: No. I carried my lunch. I mean it was –in the summertime, it wasn’t bad, but we’d sooner eat our lunch quick and play out here instead of waltzing all the way home. So then in the afternoon, we’d get up in the -now. We had to recite some of the lessons that we learned. And we had to recite verses out of the Bible. We had to recite verses out of the psalm book. We were lined up in the back and it wasn’t “it’s your turn” or “it’s her turn.” “AI, do you know what that verse meant?” –that’s the way it went. He’d point at a thing, and you never knew what your piece was going to be. Most of it today is rehearsed, I think.

BECKER: Well, you’re kind of saying it was kind of like a catechism class?

JUHNKE: Catechism class. And then we had arithmetic. We had a blackboard. We had to get up and do problems on the board.

BECKER: Now, how would he distribute the classes, the different groups in the different grades?

JUHNKE: Well, the little ones sat in the front. And then the seventh grade sat in the back –the big ones.

BECKER: And how would he distribute the time?

JUHNKE: That is pretty farfetched. I mean, I don’t quite remember how he did that. I couldn’t really answer that, honestly.

BECKER: Would he give the little ones some attention first and then give them something to do and then move on to the …

JUHNKE: Oh sure. He did that to keep the little ones quiet because they get restless more than the bigger ones. The bigger ones, they knew if they got restless, they got reprimanded. But he kept the little ones busy. There weren’t ever second grade –I mean, there were no first graders here. The first graders were allover the school.

BECKER: And what were the school hours?

JUHNKE: I think we started at nine o’clock, end about three-thirty, an hour for lunch.

BECKER: And how many students would there have been?

JUHNKE: Oh, there must have been –I know at one time, it was over fifty-five kids in the room.

BECKER: And Mr. Masky didn’t have any assistants or anything like that?

JUHNKE: Finally, his daughter helped him out as a substitute teacher, as an assistant teacher. And then, when we were graduated from there, then we took -for the last year we went here, the seventh grade. Then we started taking our confirmation classes. Then we’d go over to the pastor’s house and we’d get our catechism instructions and then we had examination. On the day of Palm Sunday, we always got confirmed on Palm Sunday, they had an examination which was just like Maskey would do it here. There was nothing rehearsed. You better know what it was all about. And Pastor Garret would point at Albert –what does this mean? Gerhardt –that was his son –what does that mean? And finally, we got to the point where we kept growing up and growing up, and then we joined the choir and from that on, it was just —

BECKER: What about high school?

JUHNKE: I had no high school, no high school, but I had three and a half years of Metropolitan Business College. I went in the evenings. I couldn’t

BECKER: Now, where was it and how did you get there?

JUHNKE: I went in Chicago. I took a horse and buggy, parked it in Mount Prospect where Kruse’s tavern is now –they used to have a shed there. I tied a horse up there in the shed. We’d take the train in to Chicago. It was Fred Meeske, Johnny Busse and myself. The three of us –we went to, Metropolitan Business College. I was supposed to be a four-year term and I had three and a half years –not quite three and a half years. They called me in the office and they say, “You’re dong all right. I think we can get you a job. You’re far enough ahead. We can get you a job. I took general business and penmanship because I liked a good handwriting.

BECKER: Another thing they don’t have much of these days.

JUHNKE: Then I went to Chicago to the bank that they had recommended me to go to. And you know what they offered me? Ten dollars a week. And my train fare would have been more than that. So I came home. At that time, I had a car. And I was up in Des Plaines. I took my car to Des Plaines. When I got off the train in Des Plaines, I picked up a paper. Are there any jobs available? Okay, there was a job there that had something, to do with construction. So I went and talked to the man and he says, Yeah, I can use you. And that was the beginning.

BECKER: Was this twenties? You went to business school after eighth grade.

JUHNKE: Oh yeah. After I got confirmed. So I could have been possibly fifteen when I started Metropolitan. And then I didn’t take that job. But then the job that I picked up in construction was thirty dollars a week. I’d go home and I said, “Dad, I got me a real good job. He says, Al, you know, school didn’t really payoff.” I said, “Dad, I’ve got a surprise for you.”

 

[Side 2]

 

BECKER: This is side 2 of the interview with Mr. Al Juhnke at the Mount Prospect Historical Society museum on May 18, 1988.

JUHNKE: Then I finally struck out on my own. I built about eight or nine houses.

BECKER: Working out of your home?

JUHNKE: Out of my home, yes. I was building a home that my competition was getting the best of me. I was putting the best that I could buy into the homes, and these other people were putting in dry wall and plywood for the floor and carpeting. over it. I was putting in oak floor and plastered walls, and I figured, well, that wasn’t paying off. I had a hard time selling my last house. This little yellow house that’s sitting over there, just a little bit west of the shopping center, what is now the family counseling home, have you noticed? I built that home. I built. ..

BECKER: Where were some of these other houses that you built?

JUHNKE: Well, I built one for Ralph Mensching over here on Golf Road, and I built a couple of them in Palatine. I built a couple of them in Barrington.

BECKER: Now these are frame houses?

JUHNKE: Frame and brick. Whatever people wanted. In Elk Grove Village, I built the biggest house that I built for a fellow that had a rich grandma. And grandma helped, you know.

BECKER: Now these would have been built in 1930s and ’40s?

JUHNKE: Well, I quit community builders in ’46, so it was after that. Just what the years were, I don’t quite remember. Then I opened up my own shop when I quit that. And I built cupolas. And I built cupolas that, if I told you that I built them by the truckload for contractors, it’s pretty hard to believe. I built fifty to sixty cupolas for one outfit. And I built big ones. The one that’s sitting in Des Plaines, just a little bit northeast of the theater, I built that one for a railroad man. And he had a bell from the railroad, and he had a little mechanism that he put on the outside of the cupola that sounded like a bell. And, at twelve o’clock, at noon, this thing would sound that –sounded like the bell in the cupola was ringing but it wasn’t. So then I kept that up, and then I had a little problem. My wife took sick. I had to put her in a nursing home. And five and a half years, and she finally passed on. And while she was in there, the doc said to me, Al, if you don’t get out of that job that you’ve got all by yourself, you’re going to go crazy. Get yourself a job where you can get up in the morning, go say hello to somebody and work with somebody.” So that’s when I took the job at the Mount Prospect school. And I stayed there about six years. I worked for the –which was a good job.

BECKER: Well, it got you to meet a lot of people that way.

JUHNKE: At least I had something to look forward to. Neat people. Because I was living alone, I was working alone. 1’d get up in the morning, 1’d go in my shop and work, 1’d go in and make my lunch, and I’d go back out and work. And it got me down. It got me down.

BECKER: I understand.

JUHNKE: But I lost her. But I married a beautiful woman.

BECKER: Did you really? Aren’t you lucky. I’ve been a widow for quite a while now. Maybe the men are a little bit more fortunate than the widows are.

JUHNKE: I don’t know. I married a gal that. ..

BECKER: You found a good woman.

JUHNKE: A good woman. I’d known her before she was ever married. She lost her husband about two years before I lost my wife. She lived right across the street from me. And we were friends. And she was alone, I was alone. And I did a lot of bowling in my days. I still bowl every week. And I had a bowling banquet to go to and I didn’t care to go alone, so I called Alice. I said, “Alice, would you like to go a bowling banquet?” She said yes, so one thing led to another. ..

BECKER: That’s nice.

JUHNKE: Yes.

BECKER: When did you marry her?

JUHNKE: We’ll be married nineteen years in August.

BECKER: You’re very fortunate.

JUHNKE: I’m very fortunate. I’m very, very fortunate.

BECKER: It’s been a great pleasure talking with you, AI. And I think we’ve learned a lot about the early days of this area. I hope that you will come back often and visit the museum. And, of course, anything that you would like to pass along would be very much appreciated and we’ll see that it gets a good home.

Does MPHS have Photographs: No

 Date of interview: 11/15/1994

 Text of oral History interview:

NANCY HANKS: I want to thank the two of you for agreeing to be interviewed today and for signing the release form.

ROGER JOHNSTON: Our pleasure.

NANCY: I am going to ask you a little bit about the biography of your family. What’s your full name?

ROGER: My name is Roger A. Johnston.

NANCY: And your maiden name Beatrice was?

BEATRICE: Erickson.

NANCY: When and where were you born? I’ll ask you first.

ROGER: I was born in Chicago on July 11, 1915. At the time, we were living –my mom and dad –about a block and a half from Cubs ballpark. It was on Racine which is the street that leads into Clark Street. Of course, that’s on the north side of Chicago.

NANCY: Beatrice, how about you?

BEATRICE: I was born April 11, 1917.

NANCY: The place of birth was?

BEATRICE: Chicago.

NANCY: Who were your parents?

ROGER: My father’s name was Albert M. Johnston. My mother’s name was Anna Charlotte Johnston. Of course, her maiden name was Croonborg. Both my mother and father were born here in Chicago, and their parents came from Sweden back in the 1880s.

NANCY: Beatrice, how about your parents?

BEATRICE: Mabel and Carl Erickson.

NANCY: What was your mother’s maiden name?

BEATRICE: Shogren.

NANCY: When did you move to Mt. Prospect?

ROGER: That was in 1951. To be exact, on February 26.

NANCY: Your address now is 900 South Lancaster?

BEATRICE: Yes.

NANCY: Have you ever lived at any other address in the village?

ROGER: Yes. When we first moved here, the address was 106 South Hi-Lushi. We lived there for 18 years and moved here in 1968, so it has to be 26 years that we are here.

NANCY: How has Mt. Prospect changed since you’ve lived here?

BEATRICE: The population has increased by 12 times as many.

ROGER: At least 10 times.

NANCY: How about other changes?

ROGER: It always has been a friendly community.

BEATRICE: Always and has remained that. That really hasn’t changed, wouldn’t you say? How else has it changed? Well, Golf Road was a two-lane road. Central Road was a two-lane road. It was just a small community.

ROGER: When we first moved out here, the railroad crossing at Central Road used to be a whistle crossing. Trains would go through there –freight trains at night –blowing the whistle.

NANCY: That was it. If you didn’t hear them, there was no gate and no signal.

ROGER: I think there were flashing lights. That was all at the time.

BEATRICE: There were steam engines that used to blow the whistle.

ROGER: When we lived on Hi-Lushi, it was the village limit to the west. Beyond that were farmer’s fields. Our kids used to go out and be with the farmer when he was reaping his crops.

BEATRICE: And play in the peat bogs out there.

NANCY: Before you came here, what did you know about Mt. Prospect?

BEATRICE: I don’t think we knew anything about Mt. Prospect. We just kept going farther and farther on the day that we were looking. We probably started out in Evanston. No, not in Evanston. Park Ridge. We kept moving farther out.

ROGER: Even before that, I think we looked in Edison Park first.

BEATRICE: Right. Edison Park. We just kept going farther out.

ROGER: From Park Ridge we went to Des Plaines. We still didn’t find anything to our liking.

BEATRICE: In the way of housing. We wanted to live in the country. This was the country.

NANCY: What are some of the events that you remember happening in the village?

BEATRICE: I can’t recall any big, disastrous thing that happened.

NANCY: How about some of the interesting things or things that were fun? Right before the holidays –July Fourth or parades?

BEATRICE: There always were parades. Our children were in Campfire and Boy Scouts. We have two girls and a boy, and they were in that. I was involved in Campfire. Roger was involved in Boy Scouts. We marched in those parades.

ROGER: Yes. I was –what do they call it? –cubmaster. That’s what they call it.

NANCY: What do you feel are landmarks in the community?

BEATRICE: I think Van Dreil’s Drug Store for one. Keefer’s also, although he doesn’t own it.

NANCY: Is Van Dreil spelled D-R-E-I-L?

ROGER: That is correct.

BEATRICE: That sounds good.

NANCY: And Keefer’s is a drug store?

BEATRICE: Yes.

NANCY: What was Van Dreil’s?

BEATRICE: That was a drug store.

ROGER: A full drug store. After Herb Van Dreil died, it was taken over by what is his name?

BEATRICE: I don’t know.

ROGER: Anyhow, he figured one drug store was enough in town, and he went in for all these fancy pieces of equipment –walkers.

BEATRICE: Lots of the buildings have changed on Main Street there. Some of them have been torn down and rebuilt.

ROGER: You used to do your grocery shopping at Meeske’s in town.

BEATRICE: That store is still there, but it is Continental Bakery now.

NANCY: Is that Meeske?

ROGER: Yes. The thing that is interesting about that is I guess it always was this time of year wasn’t it that he got that great big barrel of olives in?

BEATRICE: Yes.

ROGER: They were imported from Spain. I don’t know how he got them all the way here. He put them in the store, and the women could bring their own glass jars. He had one scoop, and I think that one scoop held like a pint.

BEATRICE: I don’t remember, but I know you brought your own.

ROGER: You’d go in their with that, throw in however many scoops you wanted and tell the girl at the checkout counter

BEATRICE: Sort of a bulk, and it was wonderful.

ROGER: Yes. It was a bulk, and you had it for quite a few years. Getting back to when we first moved out here in 1951, that same group of stores was where Keefer’s Drug Store is now. Keefer’s originally used to be on the north side of Northwest Highway between Main Street and Emerson. Later it moved to its present location. There also was a bakery. The name of it was Lenhardt. That was a bakery, and the main bakery itself was in Des Plaines. What they would do is make deliveries early every morning and during the day as needed coming up to Mt. Prospect.

BEATRICE: That was the National Tea. There was a little gal who worked there named Jessie Mileski. She lived in a little house just south of St. Mark Church, and St. Mark bought her property when she died. Her husband died, and she moved out of there. St. Mark bought her property, and that’s part of St. Mark’s property.

ROGER: Her property was 204 South Willie. I know, because I was on the committee at the time our church acquired it.

NANCY: OK. We’ll go on to the stores and merchants. What do you remember most about shopping downtown?

BEATRICE: There was Jewel on Northwest Highway.

ROGER: Close to Central.

BEATRICE: It was around what? –Willie, Pine.

ROGER: I guess Pine Street.

NANCY: Of course, you’ve mentioned Meeske’s. Did you go to the Lenhardt Bakery?

BEATRICE: Yes.

NANCY: For groceries, you shopped at Meeske’s?

BEATRICE: Mostly at Meeske’s.

NANCY: How about clothes and shoes?

BEATRICE: There was Strauss’s ladies apparel, and it is still there.

ROGER: What do they call it now?

BEATRICE: Now it is called Mary Jane’s or Plain Jane’s. I don’t remember exactly. It is still there. Strausses owned it, and their daughter Mary Jane is there now.

NANCY: Oh, she is the owner?

BEATRICE: Yes.

NANCY: How about hardware items?

ROGER: Old Busse’s Hardware.

BEATRICE: And Bierman.

NANCY: And Bierman is spelled how?

ROGER: Bierman.

NANCY: How about farm equipment?

ROGER: That was Frank. Let’ see.

NANCY: Did you need any farm equipment?

BEATRICE: No.

NANCY: How about other supplies? How about for cars?

ROGER: Let’s see. Where did we go? We didn’t buy any here locally. For all the car repairs that we ever needed at that time, we used to go to Busse Buick which is where Northwest Electrical Supply is now. I’ll just add this here. Then they moved to where they are located on Rand Road now. Busse took it over, and then who was it? It wasn’t Joe Retro. That’s the one there now. Joe Mitchell took it over, and he is still there.

NANCY: How about for medicine? Where did you shop?

ROGER: Keefer or Van Dreil. I think we went to Keefer, because he was on this side of the tracks.

NANCY: What other things did the stores carry? What did your family usually buy there besides the groceries, the car repair and shoes?

BEATRICE: Elaine Buffy had the Gift Box on Main Street between Northwest Highway and Busse. It was a card and gift shop.

NANCY: Where was that located?

BEATRICE: It was on Main Street between Northwest Highway and Busse. Owen Baxter had a shoe store on Northwest Highway just north of Central.

ROGER: I guess there is a chop suey place there now.

BEATRICE: There is Sophie’s Polish Deli and an Oriental takeout place.

NANCY: Is that Northwest Highway and Central?

BEATRICE: Yes. At Central. Right. It was great. We used to do a lot of shopping locally.

ROGER: Except for family shopping and Christmas shopping. Then we went either to Evanston or Elgin. It was about 20 miles either way.

NANCY: Do you still go out that way much?

BEATRICE: Not necessarily to Elgin. Sometimes to Old Orchard. Wieboldts was in Evanston. We used to drive out there a lot and shop.

ROGER: There are so many big shopping centers now like Randhurst.

NANCY: Let’s start with you Beatrice on the school that you attended.

BEATRICE: Let’s see. I think I started in Trumbull School in Edgewater.

NANCY: How many years?

BEATRICE: I think I was only there for about three years.

NANCY: And then do you remember your next school?

BEATRICE: Yes. My father built a home in West Rogers Park, and I attended. What was the name of that school on Fairfield?

ROGER: Bowden.

BEATRICE: No.

ROGER: Clinton

BEATRICE: Clinton School. Yes.

NANCY: In Rogers Park?

BEATRICE: In Rogers Park. Until a new school was built about three blocks from where I lived, and that was Daniel Boone School. I graduated from there.

NANCY: How about you, Roger?

ROGER: I also started out at Trumbull School, and then went to Sullivan Junior High. Then I went to Senn High, from which I graduated.

BEATRICE: I did too.

NANCY: What were your favorite subjects or classes?

BEATRICE: Let me see now. I loved manual training. In eighth grade, the girls were allowed to take a semester of manual training, and we had such an adorable teacher. I loved that class. I made a wonderful wicker basket in that class. I loved a lot of other classes, too.

NANCY: But that one stands out in your mind. I think that is great. How about you, Roger?

ROGER: Let’s see. I think that I probably found history as interesting a subject as any I ever had. Others I think I just took, because I had to take something to graduate. I hadn’t formulated any strong desires.

NANCY: How far did you live from your schools? Were you always real close?

BEATRICE: I was close just to the last grade school I went to. I was only a couple of blocks away. For Senn High School, we had to take transportation. That was farther away –a streetcar.

ROGER: There were no buses standing by to take us.

NANCY: A streetcar to Senn High School.

ROGER: You were a farther distance away than I was.

BEATRICE: A little bit.

NANCY: So you got to school via streetcar or walking?

ROGER: Yes. When the weather was decent, we never minded walking at all.

BEATRICE: I didn’t walk very much. It was pretty far.

ROGER: You had almost twice as far as I did, and I lived over a mile.

NANCY: Do you ever get transported by car ever where your dad got the car out?

BEATRICE: No! No! No!

ROGER: People were lucky if they could ride the streetcar in those days. The ones who could afford an automobile for the family were the ones way up in society.

NANCY: What time did school start?

ROGER: 8 a.m. at Senn.

BEATRICE: I don’t remember. I’m thinking that grade school was about 9 a.m.

ROGER: Yes. 9 a.m.

NANCY: What time did you have to get up in the morning to be at school on time?

ROGER: I got up at 6:30 to 6:45 a.m. I guess that’s no different from today.

NANCY: I see that our neighbor’s kids go to the weight room at the high school at 6 a.m.

BEATRICE: We didn’t have anything like that. We didn’t get up for anything like that. We got up in time to eat breakfast, get dressed and go.

NANCY: Before you left for school, did have any chores in the morning?

ROGER: No. That’s one thing that I never had.

BEATRICE: No.

NANCY: Before you went to school, did you eat breakfast?

BEATRICE: Absolutely.

ROGER: Either that or collapsed before the noon hour.

NANCY: Could you describe a typical breakfast meal that you would eat before you went off to school?

ROGER: In the wintertime, it would be a warm cereal I guess. My mother would give us a fried or boiled egg on other mornings. Of course, in summer it would be a dry cereal and either a cup of coffee or glass of milk. And orange juice or some kind of juice.

NANCY: How about you?

BEATRICE: Probably pretty much the same. Toast, a sweet roll or cereal. Milk.

NANCY: Did you bring lunch to school?

BEATRICE: Yes. There was no lunch program.

NANCY: Did you ever go home for lunch?

BEATRICE: Yes. I was close enough. Were you?

ROGER: In grade school, I could do it.

BEATRICE: In high school, we either brought our lunch or bought our lunch.

ROGER: I used to eat in the cafeteria. It was 25 or 30 cents, and I had all I could eat.

BEATRICE: Yes. Right. Sometimes we would go out to one of the little School stores, where they had food. I would get a sandwich or something there, but most of the time we brought our lunch.

NANCY: OK. What was in your lunch or a typical lunch?

BEATRICE: I can remember summer sausage. When I buy summer sausage today or eat a piece of summer sausage, I can remember the sandwiches I took to school. Summer sausage and probably a lot of other things.

NANCY: Just bread and butter or mayonnaise?

BEATRICE: No. It was just a sandwich.

NANCY: Did you ever have sandwich spread? Sandwich spread was something my mother relied heavily on. They still sell it.

BEATRICE: No. It was butter and no margarine. I don’t remember what else. I am sure there were a lot of other things.

NANCY: Summer sausage sandwiches. Was the school lunch at the building in the high school cafeteria anything like barbecues?

ROGER: No. I don’t recall that. I remember one of my favorites used to be German noodles, which was noodles and peas mixed together.

BEATRICE: I don’t remember anything about those. I imagine that I brought lunch more often than going to the cafeteria.

NANCY: Approximately how many students did you have in your classes at school?

ROGER: We used to run about 35 or 40.

NANCY: Would you say that’s the grade school?

BEATRICE: Yes. In grade school.

ROGER: I can remember even in grade school that went a little bit higher. There used to be six rows of eight desks in a row, so that would be 48.

BEATRICE: 48. Absolutely.

ROGER: Teachers would shudder if they thought they had to handle 48 kids today.

NANCY: What was a typical order for the day? Did you start the day with a special song, prayers or Pledge of Allegiance?

ROGER: Pledge of Allegiance.

BEATRICE: Yes.

NANCY: What was a typical day?

BEATRICE: In grade school?

NANCY: I would say grade school.

BEATRICE: I suppose it was the Pledge of Allegiance.

ROGER: And maybe an hour or so of each subject whether it was history, arithmetic or writing classes. We would spend another hour or so reading. We had to read aloud when the teacher would call on us.

BEATRICE: I don’t remember.

NANCY: Did you have spelling bees?

ROGER: Yes. We had that. Usually, we had spelling from 11:30 a.m. to noon. That was the half hour just before we went home for lunch.

NANCY: Do you remember art?

ROGER: Art was another one.

NANCY: Did you have a gym program?

ROGER: Yes.

BEATRICE: Sure. The girls wore black gym bloomers.

NANCY: That was something you changed to, because you wouldn’t have worn those to school, would you have?

BEATRICE: No. We changed to those.

NANCY: The next question is what did you wear to school?

BEATRICE: Skirts, sweaters and blouses. Never slacks. Nobody wore slacks in those days.

NANCY: Was there a dress code? Well, that was that you didn’t wear slacks.

BEATRICE: That’s right. We just didn’t wear slacks. I don’t know that it was a dress code. People just didn’t wear slacks. Women didn’t wear slacks.

NANCY: Men did.

ROGER: They were just starting to wear them then. Mostly in grade school, we were still wearing knickers and sweaters. A favorite of the boys, too, in wintertime were these high-top shoes, if we could get them.

BEATRICE: I remember another subject in grade school that I dearly loved, and that was cooking. We would make little things, and we would have little metal containers with an earthenware dish inside. It had a little cover on it and a handle, and you would cook or bake something in school. Sometimes you were able to put it into the little containers and take it home. I used to love that. I really did. Another thing that I remember is we used to have to wash our desks and bring a jar of some kind of soapwater from home. We would have to wash our desks with it.

NANCY: That’s interesting. How did you carry soapwater?

BEATRICE: In a jar, and it got kind of smelly and moldy in there after awhile. I had a friend who still lives here in Mt. Prospect, and we have known each other since about sixth grade in grammar school. We were gigglers. We would be down there on our hands and knees washing our desks. We probably got down on our hands and knees, because we were giggling so much. We didn’t want the teacher to see us. We would be washing off our desks, and we had inkwells. Some of the boys were very nasty. They would take a girl’s hair and dip it into the inkwells.

ROGER: That’s what I was thinking of here. I was going to bring up the inkwell. How we used to have those straight pens all the time.

BEATRICE: We would dip it into the inkwell.

NANCY: Every now and then did you have it happen that you dipped into the well, brought it up to write and a little drop flew back on the paper?

BEATRICE: I still remember that.

NANCY: Was there anything that your parents refused to let you wear to school?

ROGER: I don’t recall any problems in that day.

BEATRICE: I remember having problems with our own children wanting to wear certain things.

NANCY: But not in your day?

BEATRICE: I don’t remember that.

NANCY: Describe some things you did during your play or recess period or games that were fun and popular to play.

BEATRICE: Baseball for one thing was fun. I can remember one time a gal who was up to bat threw her bat and knocked out the teeth of the teacher. That was Dora Limberafi.

NANCY: Should we put that down to special memories in junior high and high school?

BEATRICE: Sure.

NANCY: Is there anything that was popular at recess?

BEATRICE: I can’t remember what else we did at recess. Probably jump rope. We used to jump rope.

ROGER: The boys I guess used to run around the place and play tag.

BEATRICE: Maybe marbles. There were so many things that they don’t do these days.

NANCY: They still run around.

BEATRICE: Yes. They run around. I bet they don’t shoot marbles.

NANCY: No.

BEATRICE: They lag for pennies now.

NANCY: Do you remember the specific songs that were taught and frequently sung at school?

BEATRICE: Star Spangled Banner. My Country Tis of Thee.

ROGER: Do you remember this one? “Over The Ocean Flies a Fairy Tale.”

BEATRICE: I don’t remember that.

ROGER: That was a very pretty song.

NANCY: But you don’t remember the exact name of it?

ROGER: I couldn’t even begin to say.

BEATRICE: I don’t either. In music, we probably sang a lot of songs, but I don’t remember.

NANCY: What arts and crafts were done at school that were especially memorable and fun?

BEATRICE: Sewing.

ROGER: I don’t know how we would fit it in, but they always used to have a lot of plays. First one class would have to have a play for Thanksgiving. Another one would be for Christmas and Easter. Sometimes, two or three classes would go together. They would need more actors and extras.

NANCY: OK. Now do you have a favorite teacher? You mentioned your manual training teacher?

BEATRICE: I don’t remember his name, but he was a younger person. Boy, I was getting old and sophisticated by that time. He was a dream.

NANCY: Roger, how about you?

ROGER: Let’s see. What was the question? I was reading.

NANCY: A favorite teacher, and why did you like him or her?

ROGER: I can’t think of anyone. I can think of a couple I thought were characters by just the way they conducted themselves and all.

BEATRICE: Some of them were nice, and some of them you couldn’t feel comfortable with. There were others whose classes that you wished you weren’t in.

ROGER: There is one incident I think about very once in awhile. In all my days of grade school and high school, I had one tardiness. I was late one morning. Just as I got to the doorknob to turn it and to go into the homeroom, the bell started to ring. So I got in and closed the door with my hand. The teacher looked at me –this was Myra Smith –and said, “You’re tardy.” I said, “I’m tardy? I’m in the door. She said, “You’re not in your seat.” She was so calm and easygoing about it.

NANCY: That’s quite a record.

ROGER: I don’t know if I could do it today. I liked that too much. I might be tardy all the time.

BEATRICE: I liked my gym teacher, my cooking teachers and some of the other teachers.

NANCY: How would you answer this? –I would never forget the day at Trumbull School when or I would never forget the day at Senn High School when

BEATRICE: I was chewing gum in a science class. Mr. Hoff told me to go out into the hall during the whole class. 1 was very shy, and that was very embarrassing to me.

ROGER: Was that in high school?

BEATRICE: High school.

NANCY: That was a time when no gum was allowed.

BEATRICE: Right. Absolutely. I don’t remember any other particularly embarrassing moments.

NANCY: Roger, how about you?

ROGER: It brings to my mind right now when I was taking Spanish in high school. The teacher was Bertha Vincent and had buttery red hair. She used to wear it in a beehive, just like someone back at the turn of the last century. We had a Jewish boy in class. He was one of these characters who was always in and out of something. He was good kid, but if anything was going to happen to or with anybody it was going to happen with him. He used to come into class and chew gum quite a bit. Miss Vincent said to us when we came into class, “We’ll talk in English now, and I’ll tell you what I expect of you. After than, I expect you to be speaking in Spanish.” This guy, Jack Spector, would come in there and before long would be smacking his jaws with gum. Miss Vincent would say, “Senor Spector, que tiene usted en su boca,” which means “what have you got in your mouth.” He always would say, “Gum.” “No habla en Englais,” which means don’t talk in English just Espanol. She would say, “Es chicle,” which means “it is gum.” Then she would say, “Escupo,” meaning “spit it out.” This would go on a couple of times every week.

BEATRICE: That’s how you remember it.

NANCY: What did you do after school in the way of chores, work or play?

ROGER: I used to work in what was like a Jewel store, but they called it Loblaw. That was a Canadian outfit, and eventually Jewel bought them out.

NANCY: How was it pronounced?

ROGER: Loblaw. Later bought out by Jewel. We used to work there on Saturdays. We would start at 7 a.m., and sometimes we would work up to 11 p.m. or 11:~U p.m. We got three dollars a day for it and thought we were in heaven. Of course, this was in high school. I used to have a paper route from the time I was in seventh or eighth grade until maybe midway through high school. It was an afternoon route.

NANCY: Did children hang out in their free time or where did they hang out?

ROGER: Let’s see. What did we do?

BEATRICE: In grade school, we used to just get together and play all kinds of games.

NANCY After school?

BEATRICE: After school, the girls would jump rope. We would have jacks –throw the ball and pick up the jacks. In the decent weather in the summertime, we even would be out at night. We would play Run Sheep Run and wonderful games where you would run and hide. It was great. In the wintertime, we would go ice skating. In the summertime, we were roller skating and bike riding.

ROGER: What we boys used to do was gather some old lumber and build a hut.

BEATRICE: This was during grade school.

ROGER: Yes. This was grade school.

BEATRICE: As we would progress, then we would do other things. I don’t even remember. There weren’t any malls. We didn’t go to any malls.

ROGER: Another thing the boys used to do, too, in the summertime and when the weather was suitable was go to these city parks and play football. Touch football was what we really did. We used to do a lot of baseball. We would go like to Winnemac Park.

BEATRICE: That’s right, and I was on a basketball team. I was on a Park District basketball team. We did get into some sports.

NANCY: So those were your special memories of junior high and high school? Would you say they were the after-school activities, friends and part-time jobs?

BEATRICE: Yes.

NANCY: Did you baby-sit?

BEATRICE: Yes. I did.

ROGER: I’ve got to tell you one thing, too. On Saturday afternoons, my mother or dad would give me 15 cents to go to the show. It was 10 cents to get into the show and a nickel for a bag of popcorn. Think of the kids doing that today for 15 cents. You couldn’t buy even a bar of candy for that now.

NANCY: We will follow up with your fondest memory of early downtown Mt. Prospect.

ROGER: Downtown Mt. Prospect? I don’t know if this would really be related to that, but I was talking about baseball for boys before. That was another thing when we first moved out here. A lot of merchants in town and a lot of businesses would sponsor these Little League teams. It was all volunteer, and there were several of us dads who would be managers of the teams for the kids and umpires. I even was that for awhile. We used to furnish our own umpires. They were not paid by some other type of professional baseball organization or anything of the sort. This was all on a volunteer basis. Some played in the evenings, and we also could play on Saturday afternoon. However, the things were scheduled.

BEATRICE: Speaking of downtown Mt. Prospect, we lived closed enough to the train station where Roger would take the train and go down to work. It was such a wonderful, rural thing, because we had been raised in the city. It was just great. He would be able to walk to the train, or I would drive him to the train. Coming home, it was the same way picking him up at the train.

ROGER: If I were running a little late in the morning, we used to be able to look out that north window in our home on Hi-Lushi. I could see when the puff of smoke would start to rise when the train was leaving Arlington, so I would say, “Bea, come on and let’s go. We’ve got to get down.” She would drive me. It was about six blocks or something like that. I’d be able to get down to the crossing at Main Street and catch the train in time.

NANCY: That kind of got the steam up.

BEATRICE: A puff of smoke from the steam engine in Arlington would signal.

ROGER: I’ve got to tell you about this. One time I drove the car down there, and Bea was just in her robe for some reason or another. I was so used to taking the key out of the car that I took it out and jumped on the train. There she was with hardly any clothes on. It was one of our neighbors a couple of doors the other side of us who drove you home, and you got your set of keys and drove back.

BEATRICE: I don’t quite remember all that, but I do remember after we moved there that it was so wonderful to look out our kitchen window into our own backyard. Our little children were playing out in our own backyard. That was the biggest thrill.

NANCY: Had you lived in an apartment in the city?

BEATRICE: We had. I lived in a home that my folks had built there. When Roger and I were married, it was right after the war. We lived in an apartment in the same area. We lived there for about five years, didn’t we? It was four or five years in the apartment. Then we came out here, and it was our first home.

NANCY: Just to look out in your own backyard and have a place for your children to play.

BEATRICE: Sure. We lived in an apartment where they had a cement yard, and that’s where our kids played. There was an alley behind it. This home was wonderful. Pheasants would come.

ROGER: Pheasants would come for about a year or two, and then they were gone after that. I can remember even after getting on the train and pulling out of Mt. Prospect on the south side of the tracks there was a cornfield. It wasn’t unusual at all to see two of three pheasants rise out of that while we were going. Out here on Golf Road where Loeman’s Plaza is now there was a line of trees. I can remember one morning when Fred Sheath picked us up, and I was working for Union Oil just north of Woodfield Shopping Center. Looking out there on the snow, we counted eight or nine pheasants walking around out there. They showed up so distinctly in that white snow background.

NANCY: If there one thing that you would want your children to remember about the history of their hometown, what would it be?

ROGER: The relationship that our children had with others in the community. It seemed like there were just little things. It was never difficult to acquire friends or find something to do. They were active all the way, and particularly my daughters have close association with their school friends.

BEATRICE: Their friends from school. They attend their reunions. They just love to see each other, even though they all live far away. None of them lives close.

NANCY: Where do your children live? Did you say one was in Wisconsin?

BEATRICE: Right. Our son the eldest lives in Wisconsin a couple of hundred miles up. Our middle child –a girl –lives in Colorado. The youngest daughter lives in Bloomington, Illinois. They all are married and have children. We have seven grandchildren. They always have loved Mt. Prospect and always were involved in anything that was going on. There was only one school when we first moved here. No. A central school was here in town, but one grade school on the outskirts here. That was the outskirts, and the was Lincoln School. It was brand new when we moved here. David started in first grade there.

NANCY: OK. In that respect as far as schools, but do you think that Mt. Prospect is still a neighborly and friendly community?

BEATRICE: I think so. You just don’t get a chance to know all your neighbors as well.

ROGER: There are a few people that isolate themselves and don’t make any effort.

BEATRICE: We are involved in so many things and have been over the years that we have accumulated many, many friends. We really can’t imagine moving away from our church, activities and friends.

NANCY: What do you think the future holds for this community?

BEATRICE: I think it is going to keep on growing and growing, if there is any property left to build on. I think it always is going to be a family community.

ROGER: I think it will be strictly a bedroom community. There are a few bits of light industry here, but still its limits are defined now.

BEATRICE: When they developed Lions Park, it was fun. Then they had the swimming pool, and our kids used to go over to the swimming pool. After the parades, the parades all would come back to Lions Park. They would have little ceremonies in Lions Park. One thing they had was Folger’s Mountain, and that was probably when Folger’s coffee became popular. They named the high-rise in the ground Folger’s Mountain. It was a little sledding hill. They didn’t ski. Toboggans. That’s what it was. Then at July Fourth, they would shoot fireworks off from that hill. They were not just aerial fireworks. There were ground fireworks that were up the hill and on the sides of the hill. We would sit down below, and they were just absolutely beautiful fireworks. We’ve never seen anything like it since.

NANCY: Do they still do that?

BEATRICE: No. I don’t thing the mountain is there anymore.

ROGER: No. They took Folger’s Mountain down, because people were sledding down there. I guess a couple of children got involved in an accident, and the park district was sued for it. They figured they wouldn’t expose themselves anymore.

NANCY: Was Lions Park like lions in a zoo?

BEATRICE: Lions.

NANCY: It was Lions.

ROGER: It’s right by where Lions Park School is right now.

NANCY: Lions Park. Is that from the Lions organization?

BEATRICE: I would think so, because they would have chicken dinners once a year around July Fourth. They all would be out there cooking chicken on big grills.

ROGER: Yes. The Lions Club. Before they had July Fourth as you say sponsored by the Lions. Now they are over at [Mellow’s] Park on July Fourth. They used to be over at Lions Park.

NANCY: I am going to take additional biographical information then. We will start with Roger A. Johnston.

ROGER: With a “t.”

NANCY: What does the “A” stand for?

ROGER: Albert.

NANCY: Beatrice, what does “C” stand for?

BEATRICE: Carolyn.

NANCY: Your full legal name is?

BEATRICE: Beatrice Carolyn Erickson.

NANCY: Roger, you were born in Chicago.

ROGER: 7/11/15.

NANCY: Roger, your mother’s full name?

ROGER: Anna Charlotte. Her maiden name. Is that what you want?

NANCY: Yes.

ROGER: Croonborg.

NANCY: And your mother’s full name?

BEATRICE: Mabel Agda Shogren.

NANCY: Do you know where your mother was born?

ROGER: Chicago.

NANCY: And how about your mother?

BEATRICE: Chicago.

NANCY: And fathers?

ROGER: Both Chicago. Wait a minute. Your father wasn’t.

BEATRICE: My father was not born in Chicago.

ROGER: My parents were both born in Chicago.

NANCY: Your father’s full name?

ROGER: Albert Mathew. Sometimes it is spelled with a double “t,” but he never used it.

NANCY: And your father’s full name?

BEATRICE: Carl Gustav.

ROGER: Gustav is the ordinary way of spelling it. I don’t know if I ever saw your dad’s full name written out.

BEATRICE: I’m not sure. That’s probably right.

NANCY: Roger, where was your father born?

ROGER: Chicago. My mother also.

NANCY: Bea, now about you?

BEATRICE: My father was born in Sweden.

NANCY: Let’s talk about your children. Yes. I’m going to ask about your children. Do you want to give me the name and age?

BEATRICE: Not the date of birth but the age. David is 50. Susan if you want the whole name is 48. Mary is 43.

ROGER: There is a five-year difference.

NANCY: What was your occupation?

ROGER: I worked with Union Oil Company in lube oil and grease as a supply manager.

NANCY: Bea, what about you?

BEATRICE: I worked for quite a number of years. I was secretary to a fellow who was a secretary of the Illinois Cooperator’s Association. Then I became a preschool teacher. I taught for 20 years.

NANCY: Where did you teach?

BEATRICE: St. Mark’s preschool.

ROGER: Yes. That’s the church here.

NANCY: You joined St. Mark’s on Palm Sunday.

ROGER: 1952. It was one year after we moved out here.

NANCY: Where was it located then?

ROGER: Where it is today. Really, it was on Evergreen then between Pine Street and Willie. Then when they built the church, they took the address of 200 S. Willie Street.

BEATRICE: The entrance is on Willie Street.

NANCY: The new church was built when?

ROGER: I’m trying to think of when that was. I even was on the committee for that, but 1 don’t remember exactly. Rasmussen was still pastor then. I’ve got some old booklets around here that would tell me.

NANCY: You’ve been active members. Have you been in things like choir?

BEATRICE: My goodness sake! In all kinds of committees.

ROGER: Bea was a member of the church council.

BEATRICE: So were you.

ROGER: I was too.

BEATRICE: I was the first woman elected to the church council, as a matter of fact. You were on the church council.

ROGER: I was treasurer and president the last year.

NANCY: How large is that church would you say?

ROGER: I don’t know what it is. Probably closer to 1,200. I think at on time it was over 1,600. Ut course, so many churches came around here, and a good part of our membership came from Arlington Heights and Palatine. Many of those people just went back to their own area.

NANCY: What is it?

ROGER: Lutheran.

NANCY: Is it associated with any of the various synods?

ROGER: ELCA –Evangelical Lutheran Church. It’s four letters.

BEATRICE: The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. It has combined with other Lutheran synods a couple of times.

ROGER: The United Lutheran was separate at one time. They just never have combined with the Missouri synod.